Patrick Gunnels Interviews Dr. Lee Merritt

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Patrick Gunnels [00:15:25] Greetings, my dear friends and welcome to yet another reading Epic Threads live stream. I'm your host Patrick Gunnels joining you from Houston, Texas, October 18th, 2022 at 8:41 a.m. Central Daylight Time. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:15:38] I've got a special show for you today. I was joined yesterday for a long-form interview with Dr. Lee Merritt, who will be joining us and speaking at Thread Fest. So you're going to want to check that out. So, link in the description. Very first one. It's going to be a fun interview. She's got some really great insights on what COVID was, what's in the injections, what we can do to fight back, how we can better take care of our health, all the red pills that we all have been getting hit with left and right. 

You're going to want to go to that link and get yourself your challenge coin. "Only at the precipice people find the will to change." "The globalists can all go to hell. I have gone to Texas." So you can get your in-person tickets. Thread Fest is November 11th through the 14th, at the gorgeous Southlake Hilton resort, Dallas, Texas. Get your live stream tickets or you can get your coin, too. 

Now I invite you all to enjoy my interview with the illustrious Dr. Lee Merritt. She is absolutely brilliant. Enjoy. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:24:28] Greetings my dear friends, and welcome to a Reading Epic Interviews thread. I am joined by the inimitable Lee Merritt, M.D., one of my co-travelers on this red pill journey that we've been going on for God knows how long at this point. So really, I don't think there's much by way of introduction, we all know each other at this point. Dr. Merritt, you want to talk about some really great stuff today, and I know that when we get started, we don't stop. So I'd like to get straight into the information you want to talk about. How does that sound? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:25:01] Sounds good. This can be done actually, for me it is going to be done shortly, because I am really pumped about this, Patrick. You know, at some point, all that is hidden will be revealed. I think it's happening. I think we're figuring this out, and I love the way it's happened. It's happened because we all, in this digital weird freedom movement, are exchanging ideas.

I was at the Worldview Weekend and I sat next to Karen Kingston. There were a lot of other speakers, but we sat and talked about some stuff and, you know, she's been speaking out about AI. And we both came to the same conclusion from different pathways. And here's essentially what she told me. I would find it totally boring to research patents, but that's what she does. She's really good at that. 

Going back into that old research, along with these patents, she found out what Ralph Baric really did. He didn't really come up with the spike protein the Uber Lords wanted him to have. You know, they wanted this spike protein that could somehow infect people and do all these bad things, but nobody could quite get it to work out, using biologics, bat coronavirus, etc.

But they apparently developed genetically engineered hydrogel. We knew it. We know they have that. And she sent me a book about this and I’ve got to work my way through it. Genetically engineered hydrogel is self-replicating, it grows, and has some features of genetics. In other words, it has features of a living thing, but it's not like us, biologically speaking. This was created, in her opinion, by AI. Now, we can talk a bit about that. But here's the point, and I wish I had a picture to show you, but visualize a diamond shape and a triangle shape. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:27:05] Okay. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:27:06] We've seen the picture of the spike protein and it's a triangular shaped thing that hooks into your ACE2 pathway. And that ACE2 pathway in the human body is what causes all the disorder in the body. You start losing your salt, you can't keep your fluid going. You get sick. It causes the symptoms that we associate with really severe COVID. Okay? Whatever we want to call COVID —and COVID is a bad name. I wish we had a different name for it, but this probably really is COVID because it's an acronym that has to do with AI. It's something + ID. AI is what this really is. So imagine a situation where you get injected or dosed with this genetically engineered hydrogel, and it goes into the body in microscopic ways. When it is stimulated by a certain wavelength, think 5G, it transforms from a diamond shape into a triangular shape that can hook into your ACE2 pathways. I think that is at the heart of the disease and the “vaccine.” 

So remember, we talked a long time ago and I said you were ahead of me in figuring this out. Not only was this not a virus, but there are no viruses. And I'm completely in agreement with that. Everything's been manmade. They can make things that appear to be transmissible from human to human. But the pieces didn't quite fit right. Now everything fits together.

So picture this: They put out a synthetic, hydrogel-based toxin, and this thing has conformational change ability based on wavelength. So, like we saw in a video in Wuhan, they put this toxin on computer keyboards, they put it on gas station pumps, they put it on shelving. They can go around and clandestinely lace the world with this stuff. They could even spray it in the air. Quite frankly, they can put it in your drinking water, bottled water. Easy to do. So what they do is they put all this stuff out there, people ingest it, then when they turn on the 5G it causes this triangle shape to form and it creates the disease. They can turn it off when they are done. Right? So they can make everybody sick for a while, and then turn the signal off. And they even can quit dosing people, or not. They can do this in multiple areas to make it look like it's spreading city to city. I believe this is stage one.

The second stage did not even involve the toxin. I mean, some people got this contact poison and they were the people that seemed to get really sick, I think. But a lot of the people that were said to have “COVID” are simply people that had the flu. Notice how the flu went away. Right? Those people had the flu, but they really just had a positive PCR test, which was something else. They just got the normal winter crud and stress, and all the things that they created, again, an artificial, stressful situation to make the people sick. But it wasn't because they got in contact with this toxin. Not everybody with “COVID” got in contact with this toxin.

And then stage three was, because everybody was afraid, everybody went out and got this stupid non-vaccine. They got injected with more of this genetically engineered hydrogel. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:30:22] And now we've got the issue where people are being affected by it differently. Now, before I go to the rest of the discussion about AI, I will just tell you the good news. The good news is, this acts like a parasite. So it is in fact, an artificially created parasite, which explains these long, weird, white clots that people are having. That's this thing growing in blood vessels. Eventually it becomes critical. So, as a parasite, here's how we attack it. I mean, I'll bet you —I can't prove this yet— but I think it responds to antiparasitic medication, because you've got to remember the seven words that you couldn't say on TV, that George Carlin thing, and now you can say them all. Nobody gives a shit, as they say. That was one of them. You couldn't say that. You couldn't say tits. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:31:22] You couldn't say shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits. Yeah. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:31:26] And then he always said, and tits is kind of a cute word. Yeah. And motherfucker's a combination, it's really two words. He's just funny about that. But now we have these six. You were previously allowed to say all of these, but now you cannot say these six words: nitazoxinide, chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, fenbendazole, and chlorine dioxide. I can't say them as fast as George Carlin, but those are the six antiparasitic drugs. And God help you if you recommend chlorine dioxide, that's what puts you in jail. All of these.

Patrick Gunnels [00:31:53] Chlorine dioxide. Can't you make chlorine dioxide? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:31:57] Yes. I have. And so the good news is that nitazoxinide is probably the balm for this. These people —and I use the term loosely— at the top of the pyramid running this shit show play with word magic. And so, hydragel. Now, I always thought it was hydrogel. We were told it's hydrophilic, it sucks up water, it swells up, etc. That's what we were always told, because hydrogel is used in other things like face creams and whatever. But not this. Maybe hydragel. 

One of the things they were using it for in research was to span nervous tissue. I love how they always claim they're trying to treat Parkinson's or spinal cord injury. They always have reasons, good reasons for doing this stuff. But they were using hydragel as in, hydra, the actual parasite, to try to grow it in you to span nerve endings. Hydra actually is immortal. It never dies. You can chop it into a million pieces and it still keeps living. And it can intercalate into the nervous system and the body won't reject it. That would be great if I were the alien from War of the Worlds and I wanted to take over the human species. That's what I'd do. So when they say hydragel, are they saying hydro- or are they saying hydra-? And that's how I found nitazoxanide, which is branded Alinea. 

A long time ago when Carrie Madej saw that little animalcule thing under the slide, she showed it to me and we talked on the phone and I said, huh, could it be a hydra? Maybe she mentioned that she thought it may be hydra. I said, Yeah, it looks like a little mini hydra. So then after I hung up, I started looking around and I wondered what hydra gets into. And I found out that hydra is a contaminant of aquariums. Then I found out that aquarium people use nitazoxinide to clean hydra from their aquariums when it starts taking over. And then I found out nitazoxinide is actually one of the three drugs listed on the NIH site’s page about the Remdesivir trial against COVID. There are remdesivir, ivermectin and nitazoxinide. How clever. And then I found out it is probably the best antiparasitic drug available to kill parasites. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:34:18] Remdesivir is just wildly toxic to the kidneys.  

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:34:24] Right, it's bad. But they mixed ivermectin and nitazoxinide in this trial, to avoid making NIH look so bad, because not only is remdesivir very toxic, but it also doesn't work. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:34:32] Yeah. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:34:32] So they mixed in with it these other drugs that do work, to make it look better. And I think that's the trick. So here's what people can do. I think this is our way out of this, at least for now. We do a parasite protocol. I've got it all written out on my website —and I'll bring copies to Thread Fest— how we do this, how you get the medicine, and how you can start doing it right now. The beauty of chlorine dioxide, which I would never recommend to anyone else but I myself do take it, is that it's cheap and effective against all sorts of things. However, it may not be as quick and antiparasitic in some cases. Bishop Grennan was the expert on this. He is now in a federal penitentiary for just explaining how chlorine dioxide is a great thing for people. It was his work. He used to be a missionary in the third world. He used it because it was cheap. 

Number one, we're not in a position where people can't afford the treatment, though “they” would love that. And number two, we have a treatment that I think is going to be effective. 

I couple the chlorine dioxide parasite program with EMF mitigation. Now that gets a little expensive, but we have to do that. We're in the stage of survival and passive resistance. When the time comes for active resistance, somebody's going to have to take down those 5G towers. But I think that right now we can protect ourselves from this. And whether you've taken the vaccine or not, keep in mind they may be dosing us. This is where maybe we ought to watch the water. They may be dosing us in the water. They might even be able to put this [synthetic parasite] into our public water and we wouldn't know it. I don't know. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:36:07] Do you think they can mass produce it? But let me just take a step back. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:36:11] Mass produce this? 

Patrick Gunnels [00:36:12] Yeah, because the amount matters. For example, I rejected the snake venom hypothesis because how much snake venom would you need to put into the water to cause this scale of damage? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:36:23] Exactly. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:36:24] So I [am skeptical], you know. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:36:26] The effect of snake venom is dose-dependent. It couldn't have been snake venom because that would have killed small children, not big men. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:36:32] Yes, exactly. So let's step back. So we have what appears to be, in your description, a shape-changing particle. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:36:45] A synthetic parasite that's shape changing. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:36:48] Why do you call it a parasite? What must a parasite have to meet the definition of a life form? So it would have to be able to reproduce. It would have to live. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:36:56] It does eat. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:36:57] What? So what does this parasite eat? Let's start with that. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:37:00] Parasites eat off of the host just like a hookworm. Any parasite. What does malaria eat? Well, it eats you. Okay? 

And what I think is the basis of these parasites, and what we're hearing these clots do, we believe that it accumulates calcium directly from the plasma, because they notice these calcific things in these clots. It seems like it accumulates the substrate to self-assemble from the plasma. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:37:47] Can we ask what lab is studying these particles? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:37:53] Again, this is hot off the press. I just got back yesterday. Karen Kingston has a stack of papers like this [gestures: tall]. She's going to get me some of those and I'm going to start looking at this myself specifically. See I think these guys knew about this. And I would suspect that this is not a local phenomenon, but apparently all over the world, and I would suspect also in Shanghai and Wuhan. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:38:23] Yeah, I think that you can probably cause what look like pandemics in very densely populated areas where you have plenty of EMF. If you take, for example, Doctor Zelenko's story. It always interested me because he said he had worked with some part of New York that has 35,000 people in one square mile. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:38:47] Right. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:38:48] And that's where it started. Well, that's one of the very first really bad outbreaks of this crippling disease that was laying people out and putting people in a lot of danger. And he found that Anti-Parasitic protocol seemed to mitigate the illness significantly. So do we have it? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:39:10] You mean with the ivermectin? Because he initially started out with just vitamin C, quercetin, D and... 

Patrick Gunnels [00:39:16] He was using hydroxychloroquine. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:39:18] And hydroxychloroquine. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:39:20] Yeah. Yeah. And he had very few, almost no deaths. Like literally like two people died in thousands of cases. Are there other instances of a densely populated area with a similar expression of disease in large numbers that wiped out a bunch of people? Like there was a guy in India who said that people would have very flu-like symptoms for about a week. And then on the eighth day it would seem to get better for a little while. And then all of a sudden they would get a collapse in SpO2 and shortness of breath.  

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:39:59] Right. And that sounds like what we were seeing, too. But when you're talking about the big concentrations, they were really in Wuhan, and Lombardy, Italy, and in New York City. But remember, they brought it. They purposely had Chinese New Year. I think they purposely spread it there. But it's interesting, unfortunately, we can't say that Zelenko had the magic bullet completely. One of the problems is that we now know that there are certain genetic variations in humans that are less susceptible, somehow involving the ACE2 pathway. And it may be that it has to do with this binding to the ACE2 pathway. 

So very cleverly, we figured this out in a lot of ways about the micro voltage binding of what we were calling the spike protein, whatever it was, to this ACE2 pathway in human beings. And one of the groups that has almost zero chance of binding are the Ashkenazim, and that was his population. In fact, when I got this paper, I called Doctor Zelenko. You know, I knew him. I said, Okay, you take care. Here's this paper. Have you seen this paper? And what do you think? Because you have a big Ashkenazi population. What do you think? And the problem is… 

Patrick Gunnels [00:41:18] Are we assuming it to be 100% Ashkenazi? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:41:20] That's his problem. Now, I thought he was near Long Island, but wherever he was, he was near New York City. It wasn't upstate. So he was in a population within a population. So his Ashkenazi population was surrounded, I think, by Italians and other people. And they were the ones that were going down really hard. We don't completely know what would have happened had he not started using hydroxychloroquine. Because they might not even have been susceptible. I think I also have the same genetic benefit, the K26R bloodline that prevents this binding. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:41:57] I got a big, big fat amount of that bloodline myself. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:42:01] Right. Okay. So I'm descended from German royalty. This is inherited through the X chromosome. So, you, being a male might have it but you can't pass it on to children. And hopefully my boys inherited this from me, but it ends there. So I would say that ends for most people. That is a different problem. We just don't completely know. But I think that it's very likely. 

What else this explains is the following. Think of how they traced 10 million contacts of those people in Wuhan. They had all these sick Chinese locked in their homes. Lots of times they didn't have anybody else in the house get sick, because those who got sick had been out somewhere when they picked this up. 

That's when I realized that this is somehow a contact pathogen or toxin. They would be out somewhere, they'd pick it up. They went to the computer store and touched the keyboards and got it. They got sick, but nobody else in their household did. And then when they locked the people all into the household together, they were contact tracing but they didn't find one person, not in 10 million people. They did not find one person from a household of a sick person that they traced who gave it to somebody else. That should have immediately put the lie to the airborne viral theory. It just doesn't work that way. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:43:16] It is the most wicked mind spell in the history of my existence. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:43:22] That is true. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:43:22] So many people have been permanently rendered insane by this narrative. Walking around, just thinking that the air is poisoned at all times, spraying everything with disinfectants — toxic, ironically. Oh I know what I'll do to make myself better! 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:43:39] They might be right about that, but they're not right about it coming from somebody else breathing on them. Yeah, that's the anti-human part of the agenda. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:43:46] Well, I don't think that hand sanitizer is ever going to protect you from anything, ever. And if anything, it's going to leach into your skin and make you sick. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:43:55] There is a valid point about gloves and masks in certain cases. Like, whatever Ebola really is, it doesn't seem to spread unless you get sprayed in the eye or sprayed in the mouth by the liquid. Right? 

We're going to have to go back and reevaluate all this stuff, as you and I have talked about, but there are times where gloves and gown and stuff actually made a difference. It didn't make a difference with this. And, I think masks and washing your hands a million times a day or standing six feet apart in government approved circles will never, ever work for anything. I can guarantee you. You're right. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:44:40] Mm. What do you think they have planned for us next? Because if you really look at what happened, it was so clearly orchestrated... 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:44:47] Yeah. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:44:49] ... to make us nuts, to make us terrified of each other. I know I got an asthma attack. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:44:56] Yeah. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:44:58] I had an asthma attack in April. 

And I genuinely thought to myself in April of 2020, Oh my God, maybe I have it. I didn't have anything. I had an asthma attack from sheer panic. You know? I was running, trying to get healthy, because I knew that I wasn't going to tolerate anything, the doctors and the hospitals and all that. And I gave myself an asthma attack. So many people probably did the exact same thing. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:45:30] Yeah. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:45:30] So it was an orchestration to get us sick. And then concentrated areas of poisoning. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:45:37] Yeah. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:45:38] Now, all of this has to be examined very carefully. This is what I regard as the hypothesis stage. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:45:44] Hypothesis stage, but based on uncovered evidence that makes things a lot more clear. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:45:50] Because one of the things that I've very much tried to stay focused on is the fact that they want to keep us about 50/50 at each other's throats. They need about half the population to want to kill the other half. And if they find that too high of a percentage is coming to one side, they try to figure out a way to even the balance, which is why I also think there are multiple binary narratives: "Okay, well, let's look at the binary here. Was it randomly from the wild in a wet market or was it created in a lab?" 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:46:21] Yeah. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:46:22] False binary, after false binary, after false binary. And I'm wondering, how do we harden ourselves against being captured by a narrative? And that's why I'm always saying, Let's look at the paper. Let's see what happened in the lab where they actually proved this stuff. What's the source of the sample? How many samples do we have?  What controls were put into place? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:46:45] Right 

Patrick Gunnels [00:46:45] Because you don't know who was implanted as a false witness and who was not. Even in my tiny community of Reading Epic Threads and other slightly  bigger channels, we have infiltrators. And I'll never get into details unless you come to Thread Fest and then I'll tell you the details in person. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:47:06] Ditto. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:47:07] We have actually discovered operators (spies, antagonists)  who have shown up, infiltrated, and then activated to cause discord and trouble.  

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:47:20] Yeah. I believe that. And I see it on Telegram. I see it on even Truth Social. And I see it in our medical freedom community, for lack of a better term. I don't quite like that term, but within the medical group I'm constantly seeing this in different places —and I can name names too. You're exactly right. 

And to me, the first thing to do is to awaken to the notion that this divisiveness is planned, that human beings don't want to go to war and want to get along. And once you've figured that out then take notice of the times they don't get along. 

I'll tell you, I just read an interesting book about the emancipation after the Civil War. The skilled black workers were starting to build communities and do all sorts of things because they were off the plantations. And I think the subject’s name was Garvey. He was from Jamaica.

[00:48:21] Marcus Garvey? 

[00:48:22] Yeah. Well, I don't know if you know this, I didn't know this. This is a book somebody sent me and I think what is really pertinent is that when all that was happening and people were all starting to get along after the Civil War, the uber lords in charge could not stand that. And so they had to create divisiveness. So because Garvey had actually gone to the head of the KKK at the time —I don't know the guy's name— and made a rapprochement. Did you know that? 

Patrick Gunnels [00:48:48] No, I did not know that. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:48:49] Here was the head of the Black Freedom Movement after the war, and the head of the KKK —the racially white group talking with the racially black group. And they got together because Garvey said, Hey, we want the same things you do. We want our people to prosper. We're not asking to intermarry or mix. We're asking to do work, be productive, and be left alone, like you are. So they were coming together. Well the overlords couldn't have that! That is when the AFL, which became the AFL-CIO, was formed to prohibit blacks from engaging in skilled labor. 

[00:49:26] [mouths: WTF?] 

[00:49:28] Yes, exactly right! And when it became a legal arm of this, I'll call it the Khazarian mob, they became the lawyers for both sides. So it's been this way ever since. And when we wake up to that lie, I think it will over for them. And I think we're starting to wake up. 

Now, you asked me what's next? What's next is war. Look at what they're doing. And when I say they, I do not believe it's any one nation. We have to get out of the nation-state mindset, and such ideas as, Russia bad, America good, England good, China bad. You know, no. Every nation has its bad factions. In fact, as crazy as it sounds, I've started talking about the Blue Faction, the Green Faction, the Red Faction and the Gold Faction. That's what apparently is out there. The Red Faction? Look at Joe Biden and his wonderful speech in September when he had that satanic backdrop. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:50:25] It was the [craziest] thing ever. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:50:27] It was unbelievable. I hope those weren't real Marines. I don't believe they were. They never moved. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:50:33] They could have been CGI graphics for all we know. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:50:34] I think they were, or at least mannequins. If somebody in the Marine Corps did that job, you know, we’ve got to get to that guy. That's not right. I don't think the Marines did that. But it's that kind of situation where we've got bad guys and good guys.

Now, look at what's happening in Russia right now. I just had Dr. Sam Sigoloff on my show today when I was sitting in for Tamara Scott on the Lindell TV, and I said, we're not line officers, but the line officers have all kind of been quiet, like they’ve shirked their responsibilities. Line officers being the actual war fighters, as opposed to the support officers like physicians, dentists, engineers, nuclear power engineers, stuff like that. 

So anyway, I said, tell me what you think. And he said, well, look at when we engaged in war. The American Army went to, you know, Iraq, for example. It was over in days. We flattened them. We can flatten countries and so can the Russians. The Russians could have gone and flattened Ukraine. They could have just annihilated it within a few days, certainly within a few weeks. But they didn't. 

I've been watching it. It's true. He sent in competent people, but not necessarily the latest state-of-the-art equipment. At first, he just played it low key. When they took out the bridge to the Crimea, that's really an act of war. Okay? But he did not call it an act of war. He called it an act of terrorism. That defuses this thing. I'm just telling you, Putin is the adult in the room over there. It's not, as Tucker Carlson says, the Moron in the T-shirt. But unless any of your people who pay taxes are concerned that they're not getting anything with their taxes, just be advised that Zelinsky's parents just bought an $8 million home. Thank you, American taxpayer. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:52:32] I believe it. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:52:33] That's what they're trying to do. Get us into a war.

Patrick Gunnels [00:52:34] We're all on the same page with this.  Putin is very, very clearly the good guy in this conflict, to the extent that there can be good guys, in my opinion. I don't know what those bio labs in Ukraine are. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:52:51] Oh, I can talk about that. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:52:54] Well, here's the thing. What do we really know about these so-called bio labs? We're not allowed to explore them. We know that they put out a lot of papers. We’ve got this patent here, this patent there. And I think a lot of what comes out of the Patent and Trademark Office can be used as propaganda. So using a patent as firsthand evidence is insufficient in my opinion. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:53:19] That's not what I'm doing. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:53:20] Okay. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:53:21] No. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:53:22] I bet you it is what David Martin does. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:53:25] Yeah, that's what he does. But in 1991 the Nunn-Lugar act was signed. The idea was that when the Soviet Union was falling apart, there were all these socialist republics that had chemical, biological and nuclear weapons capabilities, stockpiles, etc. 

And because they were financially insolvent, we were so concerned that they might get into the wrong hands, and there is a point to that. People can look this up.

We allocated $400 million a year for four years to buy up these labs in what I suspect was a big fire sale. And we sent our people over to run them, to bring them up to standards, to do vaccine and Gain-Of-Function research. And if you want to really ask somebody, I'll name names: Michael Callahan. I think he's still at Harvard, but he was with USAID and he's been an infectious disease researcher for years. And he was sent over as DARPA's man. And he went and started up the research and he published the paper on the bat coronavirus in 2002. So I'd say we do know a lot about them. And Ken Alibek, you know that his real name is Kanat John Alibekov. He was a defector in 1991 to the United States, but he had been the number two guy in Biopreparat, the Russian civilian bioweapons program, although I don't know why they call it civilian. They always said they had a civilian program and a military program, but they all wore military uniforms. So I'm clueless about that. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:55:00] The civilian bioweapons program. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:55:01] Yeah. So he was doing all this stuff and he came and talked to us. Now what's true and what's propaganda, I don't know. But I think in all fairness, what I can observe is that we were working in bioweapons. We have this list of potential bioweapon agents. And every time we would work on getting a lab up to standards over in the Ukraine, and maybe not so much elsewhere, they were all over though, but the only one I really paid attention to was down in South Africa and in Tbilisi, Georgia, which they even named the Lugar lab, after the Nunn-Lugar Act. It wasn't hidden. So long before all this, none of this was hidden. But we have evidence. We have documents from the neurosurgeon that went over to scavenge DNA from the purely Slavic people out of the Ukrainian labs. And quite frankly, if pressed, our Congress has authorized our government to pay bioweaponeers that did this as W-2. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:56:05] Mm hmm. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:56:05] Let's just be clear. If you really want to look into this, we just need somebody who knows how to follow the money. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:56:09] Okay, just to try to crystallize this, do you think in these bio labs they are manufacturing toxins that are genetics specific? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:56:19] They are. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:56:20] And the kind of things that would contain a hydrogel of some kind that you can leave on things that would make people of a specific profile sick? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:56:29] Well, it's more than that, because that's not the only way to transmit disease. One of the things that we may have been going after was the Russians' understanding of scalar transmission of disease. Now, I don't want to ruin my speech at the Thread Fest here, but I'm going to talk about that. It's called the Kaznacheev effect. And Kaznacheev was a physician in Novosibirsk in the twenties or thirties who did these very simple and elegant experiments. Often the answers are totally simple, when you think about it. He took tissue and separated it into two containers. The only thing between the two containers was an optical window. Then he would poison cells in side A and see what happened to the cells in side B as side A's were dying. So he'd poison side A with, let’s say, radiation or arsenic, and he'd see what happened to side B. Now, if the glass in the window was ordinary glass, nothing happened to the cells in side B. If the glass was quartz, then the cells in side B would start dying with the same pattern of whatever he poisoned side A [with]. So if he did it with radiation, side B would just start dying of radiation poisoning even though it had never been in contact with the poison. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:57:41] But, so a glass window would protect against radiation poisoning? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:57:44] No, the glass window would protect against whatever signal was being sent out from the dying cells in side A, but unable to get to side B. They were completely distanced from each other. In other words, when cells get sick and die they emit what the Russians termed, fotonnaya smert' [фотонная смерть]. It means death by photons. 

Patrick Gunnels [00:58:04] Yeah. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [00:58:05] Okay? And so what's the difference between quartz and window glass? Quartz allows UV and near-UV radiation to get through. Not so much window glass. So what they theorized was happening is when these cells die, apparently there is some electromagnetic emanation, or signature, if you will, coming off of them that can reach other cells. Now, this could explain a lot.  

I keep your quote on my phone about how the overlords are not going to let us know how the world works. You said it eloquently that one time. I'm going to save it and use it. 

But basically, they know how this works. But we haven't known how energy wavelengths can specifically create disease. 

So no, it's not just about hydrogel. They wanted to get hydrogel into us for different reasons, like connecting our brains or other things. If they just want to make us sick, all they need is the 5G towers. The 5G towers are doing things that are maybe just tests now. Okay? But 5G ultimately can [transmit] a lot of data. It can project these death signals to make people sick. 

Look at Jacques Benveniste and Luc Montagnier, two French researchers in water memory. These guys both independently discovered water memory. With Jacques Benveniste, it was immunoglobulins, with Montagnier, it was DNA. But what they showed is, if you put a bioactive molecule in a beaker of water or saline, and you agitate it, then dilute that water so many times that no trace of the molecule is there anymore. Yet the water still has an electromagnetic signature from the molecule. I don't know how long, but for a period of time. They captured and recorded that electromagnetic signature and then broadcast it into another beaker of pure water, and from this were able to recreate the molecule, or its effect, in it. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:00:06] That's freaking insane. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:00:07] So they did capture the biophotons or death photons. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:00:10] Did Montagnier do this work after his work on HIV? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:00:14] Yes. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:00:14] Okay. Gotcha. So he got redpilled. And did he ever return his Nobel Prize? I'm just curious. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:00:19] No, no. He died last year, or two years ago. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:00:21] Yeah, I know. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:00:22] So no, he didn't. But ironically, he did repudiate his work before they gave him the Nobel Prize. God love Luc Montagnier. Yeah, I love that guy. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:00:30] That guy was hilarious. Okay. Yeah. But why do you need to isolate it? "Well, so you know that that is real." 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:00:40] Yeah, that's right. So you know that it actually exists. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:00:43] Yeah. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:00:44] I was talking to Ryan Cole about the spike protein and he was saying, well, we can see the spike protein in the dead people that have blah, blah, blah, blah. And I said, how do you know it's the spike protein? Well, we have stains that show the spike protein. Where did you get the stains from? You know, that's the argument problem that we always get into. All of us in our specialties believe what we've been taught. And so the pathologists believe that if they have a stain, that it shows what the manufacturer says it shows. If it's hematoxylin, the eosinate shows cells in this way. And if it's methylene blue, it shows this way. And apparently this new [spike protein] stain. But the new stains are supplied by the same psychopaths that supply these bioweapons. So we're not getting the truth from them. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:01:31] What about the fact that Steve Kirsch, after his little debate with me, wrote you know what I just found out? I found out you can buy SARS-CoV-2 from this little place that sells SARS-CoV-2. It's like ATCC or something like that, bro. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:01:48] You know, he made a comment to somebody recently that there aren't viruses. He may be coming around. I can't prove it yet, but I heard that he did. And we may have actually won there. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:02:01] Given how much of a horse's ass he made of himself after his debate with me, blowing up my email box, telling me, Ha, ha! I got you! Bacteriophages are viruses, aren't they? Bro, I said replication competent. Okay? Just because they're called bacteriophages doesn't mean they eat bacteria. They were misnamed, bro. And then he freaking asperger-ed out so bad after that discussion. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:02:30] Well, apparently this is about Malone. So… 

Patrick Gunnels [01:02:36] Okay, guys, Robert Malone. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:02:38] You know, I said a couple of things about him early on and then I just laid quiet because, first of all, I'm not suicidal, but second of all, I know the truth. I don't have to debate this. He's Deep, Dark State. He works for BARDA, DARPA, if you read the bio weapons list, it's his list, in his own biography. So the chance he's not involved is extremely small. Plus, when Callahan went over to Wuhan in the summer of 2020 when this whole thing was breaking out, he was sent by DARPA to see what was going on. Whom did he call? He called Malone, and he called Robert Kadlec, the guy who moved Plum Island, the Veterinary Research Center, where they study hoof and mouth disease and other horrible disease agents. They moved Plum Island to the middle of Kansas. A good idea? Not! So, they all hang out together. If we find one of these guys and get him out in the open and he starts talking, you'll find them all. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:03:40] Oh my God. So DARPA. So it's very difficult to explain just how nasty this information war is. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:03:51] Yes. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:03:51] Watch that three-hour interview with Joe Rogan, another beauty, and Robert Malone. And you think Robert Malone is trying to warn us all about the vaccines, etc? They're coming out a good, whole year after it's already way too late. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:04:09] A little late, guys!

Patrick Gunnels [01:04:10] You know, the people who actually said, at the time, 'don't take the damn thing,' —they were silenced and called crazy. And then everybody, including dear members of my own family, out of pure terror, took the damn thing. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:04:23] Yeah. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:04:24] Then they come out and they say, guys, these vaccines, you've got to stay away from them. Mother fucker! I just took two Pfizer's, you bitch. And they knew. You know Malone knew. He's the inventor of the mRNA technology! Give me a break. He started mouthing off when he was given the okay, to become controlled opposition. There's no question in my mind. Want to know a fun little fact about Joe Rogan? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:04:52] Yeah. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:04:53] You might not know this. Okay. So first of all, we have documentation on Twitter and elsewhere that as of 2009, Joe Rogan was publicly saying that we know that these vaccines are toxic. It is proven that the MMR vaccine causes autism. It is proven in court. We know this. Now, he said this in 2009. Then he gets his $200 million Spotify deal and then March 10th, 2020 on his podcast he’s saying Anti-vax people are wackos and there's no reason people shouldn't be vaccinating their children, when he knows damn well. Why? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:05:43] He was a mouthpiece. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:05:44] Because he was bribed by Spotify to sell out the human race. Enjoy Hell, Joe! 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:05:50] Now you got it. You know, the day that Joe Rogan had Malone on his show, he was supposed to have my friend Mark McDonald on. Now, Mark is a very great guy who is a pediatric psychiatrist, and he, at that time, had written The United States of Fear. And by the way, subsequently, his latest book is about getting out of fear [ed.: Freedom From Fear]. And he thinks we need to put people through a 12-step program, essentially, because people have become addicted to fear, like to alcohol or drugs. But he was supposed to be on the show and at the last minute he got canceled and they put on Malone instead. 

Now, I talked to Sherry Tenpenny. I was one of like ten of us, I think, on an international podcast. It kind of reminded me of that old Hollywood Squares show. This was like September of 2020, I think. I can't remember when it was, but it was quite a ways back. It was when the Europeans were already getting the vaccine, but we weren't. So I think that had to be September of 2020. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:07:02] Europeans were getting vaccines in late 2020? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:07:05] They had it rolled out earlier than we did. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:07:09] Gotcha. Okay. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:07:10] Maybe it was sometime in 2021, I may be wrong. Time flies when you're being tortured. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:07:15] Doesn't it, though? Yeah. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:07:15] Yeah. So anyway, Malone was on that podcast. And I remember, I was talking about the first thing that happened, in my little Hollywood Square. And so I was trying to talk about the fact that the Japanese had the pharmacokinetic studies showing that this vaccine concentrated in the ovaries 64 times more than in the skeletal muscle. That was one thing. 

And then the other thing I was talking about was the Australian study that came out —and I didn't know anybody else who had been pointing this out— about self-disseminating vaccines that sterilized the mice by damaging their ovaries. Exactly what we're talking about here. Well, while I'm doing that little discussion, my one little part in this podcast, Malone was there bobbing his head back and forth, in his little Hollywood Square, being very distracting. And then when I was all done, his comment was, well, Dr. Merritt doesn't understand the literature. 

I'm telling you, this is verifiable. You can find this video somewhere. At the end of the podcast, the host, who was from, I believe, England —she was European— wanted us all to sign a letter asking for this vaccine roll out to be stopped, because we don't have enough information, because it appeared to be harmful. And so everybody except Malone was going to sign it. He wouldn't sign it. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:08:37] These people are so friggin evil. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:08:39] I'm going to read a little more about counterintelligence, but you know, that's what it is, counterintelligence. You don't really have to lie about anything. When you realize that a cow is out of the barn, you've got to stop the rest of the animals from getting out. So we knew about certain things and gave you that, but we don't want you to know the rest of this.* That's what they do. So they focus our attention on things that don't matter anymore, so we don't keep looking. 

[Ed. Note: Limited Hangout operation]

Patrick Gunnels [01:09:07] So that's why it's so important to see what they're putting out now. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:09:11] Right. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:09:11] Because now, look at Candace Owens and Kanye West talking about the Jewish-owned media. This is what I think they're going to try to do. I think they want to get normal people to start being suspicious of random Jews in the street, rather than the tiny group of people who call themselves Jews who are… 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:09:39] The Kazarians. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:09:40] Or whatever the hell. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:09:41] They're deep in, whoever they are. I think they're the Kazarians but they're the people who have infiltrated and are using Judaism as a cover. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:09:49] Yes. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:09:50] And by the way, they use other things as a cover. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:09:53] They do. Absolutely. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:09:55] The Catholic Church. Jesuits. For example. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:09:56] Yep. Yep. God knows. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:09:57] It's not just Judaism. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:09:59] Yeah, it’s not just Judaism. But I'm sorry, if you work for The Daily Wire, I’ve got to question that. I got to at least question the wisdom of the decision to work for The Daily Wire. 

So now you’ve got Candace Owens and Kanye West putting out the narrative that it's the Jewish media who are the bad guys. We've always known that the people at the top of all the media companies were Jewish, same as banking. 

You know, they call their  “religion” Judaism. We've known that forever. Why is it now diffusing out into Conservative Incorporated media? Do you see any kind of strategic rearguard going on there? I call it a strategic rearguard. There's this thing that's going to come out. So we're going to let it come out, but we're going to put it out and we're going to put our own spin on it. This is how I think that these information wars happen. I'm just conjecturing here. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:10:59] Yeah, I mean, it's a tough question and that's why I use the term Kazarian. I haven't gotten it yet, but there are volumes that Solzhenitsyn wrote on the history of the Kazarians. He was put into the gulag by people who were Russians, according to what was taught to me as a Russian minor in college. But they were not Russians. The Bolsheviks who took over and killed the czar were not Russians. You know Trotsky? Who did he hang out with in New York City? Jacob Schiff, the ancestral relative of Adam Schiff.*

[Ed Note: I was unable to verify this claim] 

Patrick Gunnels [01:11:36] Mm hmm. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:11:37] Now we can call him an Ashkenazi Jew, or we can call him a Kazarian. But I'm telling you, there is an issue here. There's a book out there. It's called Jews Are the Problem. It's a terrible title. It gets the facts right. But in my opinion, the Jewish community has to stand up and say, wait a minute, we are not all bad guys in this. You’ve got to understand our history. And they should confront this history. 

In fact, Arthur Kessler wrote about the Khazarians. And this is history that needs to come out. We need to clarify whom we're talking about here. You can't hide and tell me you're one thing, that you're a Torah practicing Jew. You know, these are not Torah practicing Jews who are the bad guys doing this to us. Let's be very clear. Okay? I mean, my good friend Larry Palevsky, he's Ashkenazi, I think. He's a Torah practicing Jew. Anyway, they are not the problem. But if they don't confront this and cleanse their own ranks of these impostors and say, hey, we just found out there's been a group within us that have been doing this and they have this funny bloodline and blah, blah, blah. Now the Jews have the bloodline too. Probably all the Ashkenazi have the bloodline. The Amish are of the same bloodline, and maybe they eschew technology because when they came out of that area of Eastern Europe, they recognized the story. It was passed down from their ancestors. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:13:07] Mm hmm. Yeah

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:13:07] I mean, we get little clues from people you would least expect. Like Jay Parker, who is a guy who is helping people escape from what's called generational satanic abuse. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:13:21] Mm hmm. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:13:22] And his mother told him that their family came from a long line of witches. And by the way, Jay Parker said he was tortured from the time he was in the cradle till he was six years old, and that at that point, they either kill you, they let you forget everything and just become normal, or they subsume you into the cult of what they call the ‘old religion.’ He said that his mother used to tell him these stories about their family. 

And this is something I'd heard years ago, and it just clicked when I started following this bloodline. He said his mother was from an old line of witches called the Amalekites. In the Old Testament the Amalekites were the tribe that God commanded King Saul to annihilate even including their sheep. Why would you do that? But she said ‘we’ were some of the families that got out and they went to Phrygia, which is in eastern Turkey, a part of Anatolia. 

Now that is where those we now call Khazarians were, but I don't know what they were called then. Maybe they were still known as the Amalekites. They came out of there into what is now Ukraine. 

In fact, if you look at pictures of the tamga of Khazaria, the symbol of Khazaria, the seal of Ukraine, and the seal of Moloch, the god of child sacrifice. It's all the same symbol. Okay? So these people came out of eastern Turkey and went into this area they called Khazaria. They took over the royal family. They became the Khazarians. 

So it's a big mess. But I'm awaiting Solzhenitsyn's tome. Only one volume has been translated into English. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:15:10] My Russian wouldn't be able to get through it. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:15:12] No, Me neither. I used to practice on Telegram on R.T. Russian, but now I can't. They took the English down. Now they've taken down the Z news. Even on Telegram, they're censoring anything coming from the Russians. So you only get this blather about the moron in the tee shirt. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:15:37] You know, one thing I found really exciting about that was when Tucker Carlson went off on him and said, Up yours, buddy! 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:15:42] I that's where I got that term, the moron in the tee shirt. Yeah. And I don't think at that time he knew that his parents had bought an $8 million house because that’s something Tucker would have said. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:15:54] You know, he is literally an actor. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:15:57] Yeah, he is. And that's what they do. But he's an actor related to Soros, you know. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:16:02] He's part of the family? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:16:04] I'll try and find this. It might be on my phone. I saved it somewhere because I thought that this would come up again. There's a picture of Zelensky age-progressed and there's a picture of Soros age-regressed —and they're like twins. So he's either a clone or a grandson or something. He's a Soros. This is how this tribe of this bloodline do things. And I tell you, there's a pattern. If I'd said this five years ago, I would probably have admitted myself into a psychiatric ward. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:16:38] Right? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:16:39] I mean, this sounds crazy. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:16:40] Five years ago, we have to acknowledge, we would consider our present self to be a fit as a psychiatric patient. There's no way around it. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:16:55] Absolutely. There's no way around it. I mean, I knew five years ago that we had a dark state that was running the country and even running the world to some degree. But I had no clue that this is the way it worked. But it is a bloodline, not just a bunch of bad people. 

And they have kept their bloodline very pure by making sure they only marry within the tribe. Think of King Charles. When he was Prince Charles and married Diana, he had to have all this special testing done on Diana. 

You know, David Icke is not sounding crazy at all anymore, by the way. She used to tell David Icke's friend that the family were reptilians and that she was like the broodmare. That's all she was for. So she was genetically chosen. 

We used to think it was cute. Why do you think they had all those books of peerage, like Burke's Peerage, to decide who you can marry? Because they want to know everybody’s place in the bloodline. I remember thinking about it at the time. 

Why do they make such a big deal about Diana's lineage? Because inheritance in the royal families is always through the eldest son, so why do they care about her? They care because she is the one who carries the bloodline. See, it's the women that carry the bloodline. Whatever this is. Part of it anyway. So it's crazy. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:18:21] That is crazy. All right, well, naturally, this hour went by faster than I could even imagine. Please tell my audience where they can find you besides www.TheMedicalRebel.com  

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:18:34] Yeah, that's one place. I have a Rumble channel that I need to put more on, but there's some interesting stuff there. And I'm probably going to move over to Buttar's Advanced Medicine Channel to put some stuff on there. And I have a podcast channel where I try to put out helpful information. If people want to watch, everybody should. If you want to get cleansed of parasites, I'm going to be honest, I don't think you can just do it with walnut husks. I like herbals, I use them. But you've got to start with real medicine. Sometimes the pharmaceutical companies got it right. I tell you how to do that. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:19:14] All right. So where do we get your parasite protocol? 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:19:17] On the front of TheMedicalRebel.com  

Patrick Gunnels [01:19:19] All right, check that out, guys. TheMedicalRebel.com  I'm so excited that we're going to have you at Thread Fest. November 11th through the 14th, the Dallas Southlake Hilton Resort. It's going to be a lot of fun. Hopefully we can get some breakout sessions because I have a funny feeling that a big portion of the audience is going to watch you speak and say, look, we’ve got to get more details on all of this. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:19:41] I know. In an hour you can't. It's just nuts. Yeah, that'll be fun. I'm really looking forward to it. I saw the speaker list and it looks fabulous. And no offense to my doctor friends, but we all hang out together. You know? It's kind of like when I worked in the hospital, I'd like to meet somebody that isn't a doctor, you know? So I'm really looking forward to this. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:20:03] Absolutely. Dr. Merritt, talk to you very soon. Thank you so much for being here. 

Dr. Lee Merritt [01:20:08] Thank you. 

Patrick Gunnels [01:20:12] And that is our show for today. Thank you so much to Dr. Lee Merritt for joining me. Always a great discussion. She's going to be at Thread Fest, guys. She's going to be speaking and it's going to be epic. So don't miss it. Go to the first link in the description of this video. Sign up for your in-person tickets, for your livestream tickets, and sign up to get your gorgeous Thread Fest 2 challenge coin. November 11th through the 14th. Dallas, Texas. The Southlake Hilton Resort.