Dr. Merritt interview with Poornima Wagh, PhD virology (Translation edition)
August 16, 2022
Dr. Merritt interview with Poornima Wagh, PhD virology
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Lee Merritt [00:00:08] Thank you. I'm Dr. Lee Merritt. You can find me at TheMedicalRebel.com. This is the most important video that I've done since COVID. I'm sharing this without editing because I think you need to get a feel for the depth, the knowledge of the guest and the perspective that this whole thing gives. You know, we've been lied to at every turn. And the way out is to untangle the lies by going back to basics for everything you believe to be true. You have to ask yourself, how do I know this? How is it proven? Is there another possibility? So I first saw Dr. Poornima Waugh on a short anonymous video saying there was no SARS-CoV-2, no viruses, that it was just all a lot of crap. You may have seen that video. Well, the fact-checkers came out and this is when I said I have to get ahold of Dr. Waugh, because when they come out like this, that's something important. So they came out and said, no, not true, she doesn't even exist, she's a history major, no degrees are found, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's not true. I was able to track her down and this interview is the result. Dr. Waugh is the real deal. You can judge for yourself how knowledgeable she is and she's blessed with great common sense. So I know this is a long video. I usually edit videos, but this is too important to edit, so you have to put up with a few points from, and interruptions by me. But I hope this will be thought-provoking and enlightening because we need more free-thinking rebels.
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[00:02:08] And I thought I stirred up a storm. You know what kind of storm? When I went down and just talked against the mask mandate and had my orthopedic contract canceled because I thought nobody can believe this scientific nonsense about these masks. Well, I thought then, I got in this fight and I really thought I understood what was going on, but it turns out it's much deeper. And then I heard Dr. Waugh and now, I know my head's about to explode. But she stirred up the ultimate storm because she came and told the truth about not being able to find any evidence that COVID virus, the SARS-CoV-2, exists. So thank you so much for being on the show.
Poornima Waugh [00:02:53] Oh, thank you for having me.
Lee Merritt [00:02:55] Yeah. So the first thing that happens when anybody speaks out is people say things like, oh, she can't know anything, she's an orthopedic surgeon. What's she know about viruses? Okay, but you know about viruses. Tell us a little about your background.
Poornima Waugh [00:03:08] Well, I'm going to start at the beginning very quickly. So I started working in my dad's lab. My dad worked for Pfizer for … I think, almost 28 years in R&D, in research and development, in India. I was born and brought up in India and I came to this country when I was 18, in April of 1991. But I started working in my dad's lab when I was 13. My dad is a biochemist and he worked for Pfizer, so he had a lab that he had set up and I started working there. And so I was doing this stuff very early on in my life, plus I was a guinea pig. Me and my sister were —my sister is also a biochemist. She has a PhD in biochemistry. We were guinea pigs for Pfizer India products. Every antibiotic, every cough medicine and anything and everything was given to us.
Lee Merritt [00:04:03] So I'm thankful you're still with us!
Poornima Waugh [00:04:06] I'm lucky I'm still alive. But so I started out there and though most people in my family, my grandfather, my great grandfather, my dad —same thing on my mom's side— have a medical background. Either they're physicians or they're chemists, analytical chemists or something in the hard sciences. So when I moved here, I decided, okay, I'm going to get away from the sciences and I'm going into finance and economics. My parents threw a tantrum, but that's okay. They said, Well, why are you going into finance? There's nothing in there, it's for idiots. I thought, well I don't want to just [survive]... I need to make a living. I might not be able to make a living in the sciences if I don't go into medicine. And I had no intention of going into medical school. So I ended up going into finance and economics and I got a bachelor’s in finance from Salisbury University, in Maryland. And then I ended up getting my MBA in Fairbanks, Alaska at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. So I got an MBA there in finance and economics. And then, as I was doing that, on campus I met people in Fairbanks that were very much into bacteriology and things like that. And so I went back into doing that stuff while I was still working on my MBA program, and I started working just casually in the biology labs. And I became a lab tech and so on. And it grew from there organically. And in 2005, I moved to Southern California because I could not deal with the weather in Alaska. I was in Alaska for ten years from 1995 to 2005. The winters and darkness are just brutal. So I moved down to California. I had three friends here. And I moved to Santa Barbara and I enrolled myself in classes at Santa Barbara City College. And Judy Evans Meier, who was the head of the microbiology and cell biology lab, hired me. And that was the best part of my life. It was fantastic because she was a thinker. She thought outside the box. And she always said I have a real problem with virology. Virology and even most of bacteriology is just nonsense. She would always say that. And I said, but Judy you're a microbiologist. She said, Yeah, I know. But I'm a coal miner's daughter from Pittsburgh. And I have more common sense than most people in academia. And she would constantly push us to look outside the box. So I became a lab tech. I ended up becoming a lab scientist in her lab. I actually was taking bunches of classes and after that I started teaching part of her class in microbiology, pathology and cell biology. I was just doing it part time when Judy was not around. She was going to conferences etc. And the stuff that I saw while working in her lab, when we started doing a lot of stuff … you know, people go out and look … and figure out I'm published. I was just a lab scientist. I mean, not every lab scientist is published. I mean, working in a lab as a clinical lab scientist, if you're not doing major big things for the NIH or anything major, you don't publish, you just do the lab work, you do testing and things like that. That's what I did. But I had enough lab experience under my belt that what I was seeing in lab experimentation and what I was seeing in the textbooks was entirely different. And I'm talking about bacteria and fungi. This is not even to mention viruses yet.
Lee Merritt [00:08:23] Wow.
Poornima Waugh [00:08:24] And in virology they use tissue cultures which are all contaminated because they use antibiotics and antimycotics. And bovine calf serum does that, and something else, trypsin and a bunch of other enzymes. They do the same thing in microbiology when they're dealing with —besides nutrient agar, which is the mainstay of most bacteriology. That you grow most bacteria mostly in nutrient agar. They're using things like antibiotics, like Vancomycin and Amphotericin B, penicillin-based antibiotics. They use it on a regular basis. And then they show this dead zone. They call it the zone of inhibition. You know, this dead bacterial zone on the petri dish. And it's from the … antibiotics that they're using in there. And they say, oh, look this is the cytopath. This is the effect of the bacteria. It's causing disease, it's causing strep throat or it's causing this. No, it's from the antibiotics that you're using in the bacterial cultures. So it's not just in virology. That's a scam. Most of pathology is also, pretty much, fairly fraudulent. So I started seeing this, and in 2009, my eyes really opened up because we started working on a project that Judy was working on with a few other scientists at University of California, Santa Barbara. We were looking at San Joaquin Valley fever... I don't know if you heard about it. And it is supposedly caused by the spores of a fungus called coccidioides immitus. Now, they have never isolated the spores of this fungus, but supposedly the spores caused this disease, these symptoms. And the symptoms are lung-based. You know, you get pneumonia, you get labored breathing, you lose your sense of smell and taste, fatigue, have fever —I mean, pretty much like COVID, the same symptomatology. And we looked at soil samples in a 100-mile radius around Fresno and Bakersfield, because that's mostly where it was concentrated, in that belt where they grow a lot of vegetables. And it's very arid there. We did this for two and a half years. We looked at soil samples, we looked at water samples, everything. And we also then looked at lung samples from patients that were given to us and we did these isolation studies. The isolation studies are identical to how you do them in virology. It's the same procedure, the filtration, the centrifugation, looking at it under a microscope, and doing the Koch's postulates. And we didn't find anything. We didn't find any spores. We didn't find any fungal hyphae. And fungi are much bigger, between one micrometers to 13 micrometers. So you can actually look at them under a compound, or light microscope. You don't even need a scanning electron microscope.
Lee Merritt [00:11:37] Yeah. So, not to interrupt you, but that's what I thought was different about the bacteria. Because I've been saying I could isolate a bacteria culture in my bedroom with very limited equipment, because you can see it with your naked eye and you can pick out the culture that's uniform, and you can then look at it under the microscope and you do see uniform cellular stuff. All right. You know, what we think of as bacteria that you can see are bacteria. But you're saying that in this situation you couldn't identify [fungi] in the soils.
Poornima Waugh [00:12:14] It's not just the soils... We did the toxicology. We sent the soils to a toxicologist in L.A. repeatedly. I think we sent 200 different samples at different times. They didn't find anything in there. They should have been able to find something. There were spores or hyphae or whatever. But then, in our lab, we actually looked at the lung samples because this is a...
Lee Merritt [00:12:38] Right.
Poornima Waugh [00:12:39] Coccidiomycosis is a lung disease caused by, supposedly, the spores of this fungus.
Lee Merritt [00:12:46] Well we would see it in the bone too. So it does spread.
Poornima Waugh [00:12:49] But yeah, it primarily starts in the lungs and then it...
Lee Merritt [00:12:54] Right. Whatever this is.
Poornima Waugh [00:12:54] Yeah. So we didn't find anything, there was nothing there to find.
Lee Merritt [00:12:58] So … actually you could see the lesions where, theoretically … coccidiomycosis...
Poornima Waugh [00:13:06] You could see that but you couldn't tell that the spores were causing it because there's nothing to find, as in, there was no fungal residue.
Lee Merritt [00:13:14] It was just detritus? It was just dead cells in those lesions or what was in them?
Poornima Waugh [00:13:19] We just found cellular debris...
Lee Merritt [00:13:23] Cellular debris. Yeah.
Poornima Waugh [00:13:23] It was RNA-DNA, but it was all human RNA-DNA. When you do the biochemical analysis of the lung fluid that's all we found. There really was no presence of any fungi. And so we reported this to the California Health Services and they said, 'oh, no, we know it does this, sometimes you just can't find it.' What does that mean? You can't find it if it's not there. [If it's not there,] it's not causing the problem. This is circular reasoning here, you know?
Lee Merritt [00:13:50] In 200 samples!
Poornima Waugh [00:13:52] Yeah, we looked at so many samples, I think there were 200 soil samples. The human samples are probably 75 or more samples over a period of time. And this went on for two and a half years. This was not a small thing. We did this repeatedly in the course of two and a half years that I worked there. And I thought, and Judy said, you know, I bet you this is from the methyl bromide that they're using on strawberries and all the other crops there. And we tested for the presence of methyl bromide. We sent it to the same toxicology lab in L.A. and they said that there's a 500% increase in the amount of methyl bromide they were using. And methyl bromide has been banned in California, but farmers still use it because it's very effective. You know, they dust a bunch of strawberries.
Lee Merritt [00:14:42] And you think that dust was getting in their lungs and causing lesions?
Poornima Waugh [00:14:47] Yeah. And that's what the toxicology lab ended up saying. The dust spreads through the air. The particulate gets into people's lungs and they get these symptoms.
Lee Merritt [00:15:01] Right. Because I saw it in the Navy when I was doing my orthopedic residency. We had cases of what they called coccidiomycosis of the spine and of the bone and in the lung. And these cases were in young sailors. So they must have gotten it somewhere. Whatever it is... Of course other things could look like it, you know.
Poornima Waugh [00:15:22] So it started there with me. And this is why Judy would always say things like, you know, there's always a problem when people don't accept when we actually prove hypotheses in the lab and we send samples to them. They —The Health Services Department and academia, most of academia basically said... 'Well, yeah, I don't know. You know, it's a bit inconclusive.' How is this inconclusive after two and a half years of doing testing, you know?
Lee Merritt [00:15:51] So what do clinical labs [do]? So … we would biopsy these lesions and we would send them to the lab and they would grow them in these special media for fungi. And they would come back and say it’s positive for blah, blah, blah. What are they doing there?
Poornima Waugh [00:16:08] A lot of the labs use antimycotics and antibiotics. Now, remember, penicillin is also fungi-based, penicillin antibiotics...
Lee Merritt [00:16:21] So they're detecting those?
Poornima Waugh [00:16:23] They're picking up a lot of residue that has cytopathic effects on whatever tissue that they're looking at. So if you're sending human tissue to be looked at —I'm guessing that's what you were sending. Is that right?
Lee Merritt [00:16:46] Right. Right. We would biopsy the lesions in the bone or in the lung, and then they would go off to the lab — which was like a black box to me. But they would do a culture on it —and it would take them weeks— and then they would say aha! It's coccidiomycosis.
Poornima Waugh [00:17:06] So what ends up happening is they find either bacteria or fungus at the site, but these are the fungal and the bacteria clean-up crew that you always find in our bodies anyway. But they're using all these antibiotics and antimycotics. Exactly what they do in virology, they do in pathology. I'm not making this up. This is how virology got this way. The stuff in virology is predicated from pathology and medical microbiology. It just moved over. They do the same kind of isolation studies. And then they say, oh, look, this is causing the disease. But there's no proof for that.
Lee Merritt [00:17:43] So there's no... And how about just fresh smears? So let's say you took those lesions out of the lung. Haven't people looked at fresh smears and seen something like mycelia or anything? No?
Poornima Waugh [00:17:56] No, you don't [see much]. I have looked at so many. Again, all you need is a light microscope. Because fungi and bacteria are big enough, you can see it at 30 X, even at 100 X.
Lee Merritt [00:18:07] Right.
Poornima Waugh [00:18:08] Which is called high dry. And you don't see much. I mean, there's usually movement there, but that doesn't mean there's disease.
Lee Merritt [00:18:17] Right. Right. Right.
Poornima Waugh [00:18:18] You have to prove that. And then you have to do Koch's postulates. You know, they never do Koch's postulates.
Lee Merritt [00:18:24] Right? Right.
Poornima Waugh [00:18:25] Even in microbiology, they've stopped doing Koch's postulates altogether. Most of microbiology, pathology, virology have become a field of bioinformatics. They just do genome sequencing.
Lee Merritt [00:18:37] Right, right. That's what I figured out.
Poornima Waugh [00:18:39] They don't do much in the lab anymore. They don't do anything the old fashioned way like they used to do in the thirties or forties. I mean, in the last 30 years, bioinformatics has literally completely changed biology. Everything is now done on the computer. Most microbiologists don't even do much in the lab. They just do everything on the computer. It's all computer-based.
Lee Merritt [00:19:03] … Yeah. Which removes you from reality.
Poornima Waugh [00:19:06] Yeah. So you're not really seeing what's going on with the tissue, the cultures in the lab. And in that sense, Judy was totally different. She was extremely old fashioned. So the training I got under her...
Lee Merritt [00:19:21] Nice!
Poornima Waugh [00:19:22] ...was very old fashioned. Something that you would have done in the twenties or thirties. The very old fashioned way. And she got a lot of criticism for it. The molecular biologists and cell biologists and the other departments at Santa Barbara City College were very upset with her. They said there's something called bioinformatics and genome sequencing. You should really look into that. And she said, no, thank you. I'll just do it the old fashioned way.
Lee Merritt [00:19:50] Right.
Poornima Waugh [00:19:51] And so I got that kind of training and then I started seeing stuff that just didn't make any sense. I mean, everything was contaminated. So, you have all...
Lee Merritt [00:20:01] Just for the audience: bioinformatics, let me make sure I get [this right]. Bioinformatics is the ability to read the code of the genome, the God-given amino acid code. That's like AGCT for the different amino acid compounds…
Poornima Waugh [00:20:19] The nucleotide sequence.
Lee Merritt [00:20:19] …nucleotide sequence, and then convert them to digits —zeros and ones. And then you can computerize the whole genome and then you can play with it all you want on the computer. Am I [right]?
Poornima Waugh [00:20:29] Yeah, yeah. You can sequence. And they do short sequences, long sequences, depending on how you want to do the sequences and then you just ‘tape’ them together. And I think that's what they call the de-novo alignment sequencing. And you … put it on a database, like BLAST P is for proteins. So they have another one, which, I think, for the short nucleotide sequences, is called Blast N, but not a lot of stuff. If it's, I think 50 base pairs or less, they put it on something like Blast N, which is the nucleotide sequencing database.
Lee Merritt [00:21:09] Right. I've used that one. I've used that one to look at what was on the PCR test. That came out as all human genomes.
Poornima Waugh [00:21:15] That's right. Exactly.
Lee Merritt [00:21:16] I said 'right, oh, they're testing it to us. Oh this is great!'.
Poornima Waugh [00:21:18] Correct.
Lee Merritt [00:21:18] Although I can't prove that now because they've scrubbed that off the Internet.
Poornima Waugh [00:21:21] Yes!
Lee Merritt [00:21:21] But that's when they put the sequences out. And it was from three places. It was from the Louis Pasteur Institute in France, the Drosten Group and the CDC. And they each, I think, had 18 different sequences. So they each had like three different sequences of two different nuclei or two different areas they were testing on SARS-CoV-2 and then it came out to 18. I tested 12. I just said, I'm going to run these now that I know how to use BLAST. I'm going to run those through the BLAST. And I quit after 12 because I said, if 12 are all it was testing for, like human genome homo sapiens gene eight, homo sapiens gene two, whatever it was... And I said, ‘what the heck?’
Poornima Waugh [00:22:03] Yep!
Lee Merritt [00:22:03] I couldn't believe it. So, all right. Let me just ask you now about that. So let's back up in time. Do you think that they sequenced the human genome? Do we basically... do they...?
Poornima Waugh [00:22:15] I know they said they did it at the Medical Research Council in Cambridge. They said they did. I don't know, I guess they did. I mean ...
Lee Merritt [00:22:27] So they can sequence. Because I'll tell you, since we talked, I looked at —I'm probably mispronouncing it— Feng Zhang's lab in MIT. And if you look at what it says on there, this is the guy that's thought to be one of the world's leaders in the ability to manipulate genetic material and insert DNA. And honestly, that's not what his PhD research was. His Ph.D. research was in optical, I want to say optical neurology or something like that [ed: optogenetics]. But anyway, it's using light to transform nerve signals … by light-sensitive ion channels and light-sensitive enzymes. And it actually says there … you know, when they talk about gene splicing, we can't really do that. What we can do is delete genes. And I'm thinking, 'Oh my gosh, that's what Dr. Waugh says.’ That's when I...
Poornima Waugh [00:23:24] Yeah, they are. The CRISPR Cas9 comes from bacteria, Okay? And essentially, when they were using these penicillin-based antibiotics, what was happening was that a lot of the bacteria were using an enzyme called beta lactamase to essentially, resist the effects of the antibiotic on the CRISPR Cas9 technology. They picked it up from the beta lactamase enzyme. It is beta lactamase enzyme activity that causes the Cas9 part of it. The CRISPR is, I think, the cutting, and the Cas9 is then pasting and so on. But they don't know how the bacteria do it. They have no idea. It's so limited. This is what I mean. Nature is so elegant and so complex. These people, they think they're gods. They have a god complex. They will never figure it out. We don't know how these mechanisms really work. And so I mean… to do CRISPR-Cas9 and say, ‘oh, I took an aetes aegypti mosquito and then I completely let the female go infertile.’ It's hard to do that! This is how they wanted to do that with anopheles mosquitoes. ... What they wanted [was] to completely make it infertile so it doesn't spread malaria in Africa. You can't do that! It's not possible. You can try, but it's not going to work. Because there are other ways nature circumvents the technique. I mean … you don't even know how things work in nature. So...
Lee Merritt [00:25:02] So I could believe that what they're really doing is using toxins. For example, there was a study. This is the thing that really got me looking at this question of whether viruses exist or not and all this genetic stuff. There was a study done in Australia in 2015 and it was published in 2016. And it was called Self-Disseminating Vaccines for Emerging Infectious Diseases. And the point of the study, the idea was —and I guess this part's true— is that in Australia they have these mouse outbreaks. You know, one day the farmer goes out to his barn and the whole barn is filled with mice. We don't have that in the Midwest, but that apparently happens in Australia —a strange place. But anyway, so they thought, ‘well, what are we going to do? We can't get rid of them with traps and shoot them and all that sort of stuff’ — it doesn't work. ‘Oh we know! Let's make a self-disseminating, sterilizing agent.’ And so they called it a vaccine. And what they claim they did was to use a replicant-deficient adenovirus —oh they used, actually, a different virus. They used a CMV virus. But this was constructed exactly the way they claim the J&J vaccine is. They used a...
Poornima Waugh [00:26:12] Proviral vector.
Lee Merritt [00:26:13] A proviral vector that’s specific to the mouse. In this case, they used CMV virus and then they made an artificial lipoprotein capsule. They inserted a little bit of this genetic material as the interior payload. And they claim that when they injected it into the mice, this genetic vaccine went to the mouse ovaries, destroyed the ovaries, and then started being shed by the mice. And so when they let the mice run around outside again, they put them back in nature and they —being very gregarious— rubbed up against other mice. Other mice then acquired this stuff —again, which they claim is genetic— but it then propagated among the mice and it sterilized them. And then they rubbed up against even a bigger group and that, in turn, sterilized them. And then it faded out in nature.
Poornima Waugh [00:27:09] Nope, it doesn't work that way.
Lee Merritt [00:27:10] But essentially what it sounds like you're telling me is: that can't work that way, but what it could be is, the whole genetic thing could be nonsense, and what they really are doing is giving you a toxic nanoparticle.
Poornima Waugh [00:27:23] Yes.
Lee Merritt [00:27:24] That thing spreads … and that would spread to a degree, and then it would fade out in nature.
Poornima Waugh [00:27:30] Correct. Yeah.
Lee Merritt [00:27:30] So that sounds like what you're saying.
Poornima Waugh [00:27:32] Yeah. Chemical. So a synthetic chemical, like a synthetic lipid nanoparticle with a bunch of nanoparticles in it, like in this case, reduced graphene oxide, is what they're using. That's all they can do. They do not have the ability to adjust biology... You can't. It's not possible, okay? We've tried, and tried, and tried, and tried. It doesn't work that way.
Lee Merritt [00:27:55] What are graduate students doing, actually?
Poornima Waugh [00:27:58] How do you take a virus, which is 70 to 80 nanometers in size, hollow it out, and put a payload inside it? I mean, how do you do that? I don't know... You can't even see a virus, okay? What technology are you going to use —a gene gun? —At 70 to 80 nanometers? It's ridiculous.
Lee Merritt [00:28:19] Right. Now when you're saying gene gun, what you're saying is they can transmit plasmids.
Poornima Waugh [00:28:25] Yes, they can.
Lee Merritt [00:28:27] Ok. And a plasmid —just for the audience— is a little donut-shaped, circular [fragment of] DNA.
Poornima Waugh [00:28:33] It's extracellular DNA within a bacterium.
Lee Merritt [00:28:36] Within bacteria. And we knew that bacteria transmitted these plasmids back and forth between themselves —the bacteria— to create antibiotic resistance. That's one of the things you study in medical school, even back in the seventies.
Poornima Waugh [00:28:48] Right.
Lee Merritt [00:28:48] But we can now harvest those plasmids and inject them into things, that’s basically what you're saying.
Poornima Waugh [00:28:54] And... if you go to a lot of these biotech companies on [the internet] and you buy the SARS-CoV-2 or whatever, they're selling these oligonucleotides. And again, they're plasmid-based. They're put into a plasmid and then they're just [gene] fragments. It's not the entire genome of SARS-Covid.
Lee Merritt [00:29:11] Right, right.
Poornima Waugh [00:29:12] It's not that 30- to 40,000-base-pair genome. It's just whatever fragments. And I'm guessing it's human fragments because what the PCR test is programmed to do is find those 40 or 50 base pairs from the Wuhan [virus]. You know, the [Hu - ed: possibly meaning Fan Wu], or whatever that strain was that they originally used. And then all you do is just change the ATCG —and in this case, because it's an “RNA virus” —quote unquote— only the T, which is the thymine, is changed. It's uracil-A, you know.
Lee Merritt [00:29:47] Yeah [pseudouridylyl] or something. Yeah.
Poornima Waugh [00:29:49] Yeah...
Lee Merritt [00:29:50] They can swap a single gene, they can do single nucleotide replacement.
Poornima Waugh [00:29:55] Correct.
Lee Merritt [00:29:55] In other words, they can change these things, but they can't do precise insertion into the human genome —is what you're saying.
Poornima Waugh [00:30:04] Yeah... And all of this nonsense, this B.S. that we've been told, that we have all this technology to weaponize stuff and everything. No. I mean, the Chinese —I'm sorry if I'm going to sound offensive here— they can't make a can opener. You think they can weaponize a virus? Are you kidding me? Come on, folks, get a grip here!
Lee Merritt [00:30:24] Okay. Well, so I'll tell you. So, one of the things that I, like so many, got suckered into this, too, if this is what it is. So there was a paper on a mouse study— and they claim they took the S1 subunit. Now this is what I've been saying and see if… this is even possible: I've been saying, I think this 30,000-base-pair SARS-CoV-2, is just B.S., that it's just not [possible]…
Poornima Waugh [00:30:52] They made all that up. It's all cobbled together.
Lee Merritt [00:30:53] And that's just … computer nonsense.
Poornima Waugh [00:30:57] Yeah, it's computer magic.
Lee Merritt [00:30:58] Right. But you can do a short sequence. Like, they claim in this study that they took the pure S1 subunit of SARS-CoV-2 —which they actually sell on the Internet— and they injected it into the tails of mice. And they showed that those mice became ill, with the same kind of pathology that we see in humans who died of COVID. They had perivascular inflammation in the brain, myocarditis and whatever else —all the different things that they showed happen in humans. They claimed we could also use this S1 subunit to reproduce the same illness in rats. What's that all about?
Poornima Waugh [00:31:45] I don't know. There's no spike protein, that S1 subunit or whatever, because those are the spike proteins, actually.
Lee Merritt [00:31:52] Right. But, if they can sequence backwards, if they can take something and genetically sequence it, can they then reproduce short sequences or isolate short sequences from it? Do you think?
Poornima Waugh [00:32:07] They could isolate them. However, I don't think those sequences do anything. I mean, remember, everything works in tandem in our body. I mean, even proteins work in tandem with everything else in our body. You can’t just isolate a protein and put it into somebody else and then expect it to do some kind of magic. This is what I mean.
Lee Merritt [00:32:27] But it could act as a toxin, maybe.
Poornima Waugh [00:32:30] Yeah, it might …. possibly. But again, it's very difficult to do anything with biological materials outside of their milieu. Okay? One could isolate something and put it into something else. It doesn't work, most of the time. This is why they use chemical toxins and synthetic [molecules]…
Lee Merritt [00:32:54] Right.
Poornima Waugh [00:32:54] …lipid nanoparticles and stuff. They have to poison you in some way. Yes, they can do that with chemistry. They can't with biology. Biology is a whole different ball game.They have a system of study now, called proteomics, which is the study of just proteins. And they haven't accomplished anything in proteomics. I mean we used to centrifuge polyacrylamide, acrylamide gels [to sort proteins by density].
Lee Merritt [00:33:20] Right. Right.
Poornima Waugh [00:33:20] It's exactly like an agarose gel for DNA and RNA. And it was —like most of these things— just useless. All the big proteins flow down and all the smaller proteins are at the top. This is how you see it when you put it into ethidium bromide, you know? And you use the U.V. light and you get a reading. So what? So, my point is: we used to do totally useless experiments in the lab. This is another one: we used to take caenorhabditis elegans —it's a roundworm...
Lee Merritt [00:33:53] Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Poornima Waugh [00:33:54] … a nematode. And we used to inject something called pGLO proteins, the bioluminescent proteins. Some guy, I think some person from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute at Johns Hopkins, got a Nobel Prize for this because he extracted these proteins from Sea Jellies [jellyfish].
Lee Merritt [00:34:15] All right. They glow.
Poornima Waugh [00:34:16] Yeah, yeah, they glow. So there are green ones. And the red ones are called pGLO proteins. And we would inject these into the tails of these caenorhabditis elegans worms, and they would glow. And I would always ask: so what is the utilitarian value of doing this? What exactly are we proving here? Oh, no! Look how cool it is! It glows! Okay, great. So what? Are we two-year-old children looking at all this stuff? We're scientists. Why are we doing these nonsensical experiments just to prove that the butt of the worm glows? So what are the scientific ramifications of this? What are we going to use it for? Nothing. Zero. We were just spending money.
Lee Merritt [00:34:57] I don't know if you've ever seen this but there was a book by Michael Crichton, who also wrote Jurassic Park. People don't realize that Michael Crichton was actually a physician. And I love Michael Crichton because one of my favorite quotes of his is: "If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, it's not consensus." That's not the way science works.
Poornima Waugh [00:35:15] Exactly.
Lee Merritt [00:35:16] Yeah. But he wrote a book called Next, in which he's thinking about this kind of genetic engineering. And he's talking about how, in this future world that he creates, they have fish that swim by showing advertisements for Shell Oil or Pfizer, or whatever, using these pGLO proteins, in the fish’s skin.
Poornima Waugh [00:35:42] So they can chemically alter stuff. Synthetically alter stuff. Biological proteins. And DNA and RNA? —I don't think so. Because we don't even understand biology. In order to manipulate something, you have to understand how it works. Truly understand.
Lee Merritt [00:36:07] You know that the guy in favor of that, who made those GMO potatoes, wrote a book, which now is unavailable because they don't want you to read it, I guess. I heard an interview with him, or read the transcript, and he said that basically we knew as much about the workings of DNA as most people know about reading ancient Sanskrit.
Poornima Waugh [00:36:33] Yep.
Lee Merritt [00:36:33] You know that they can't.
Poornima Waugh [00:36:34] Yes.
Lee Merritt [00:36:35] You know, it was very, very primitive. And they made potatoes that don't, apparently, rot on the counter or in the store —because the shelf life is an important thing for the food industry. But they simply kept hitting their genetics until they knocked out the gene that made melanin. So it stopped the potatoes from looking spoiled, but they were still chemically spoiling —now we just can't see it. Isn't that comforting?
Poornima Waugh [00:37:02] Yeah. Again, very primitive experimentation, the kind of stuff they are doing… You asked me what they do in labs? They spend money on nonsense. Another one: so they abandoned caenorhabditis elegans in favor of zebrafish. Here’s the way the trend works in molecular biology. So biochemistry became molecular biology. All the biochemists suddenly became molecular biologists. And this trend started, I think, in the seventies or eighties with Dr. Stanley Brenner, who won a Nobel Prize for molecular biology. He worked with Watson and Crick at Cambridge in the Medical Research Council there. You know, they are the bigwigs. When they start a trend, everybody follows like lemmings. Brenner was working at the Salk Institute and he started working with Zebrafish because until then, people were working with the fruit fly, you know.
Lee Merritt [00:38:01] Drosophila.
Poornima Waugh [00:38:02] Then they moved to caenorhabditis elegans. Then they dropped caenorhabditis elegans and they moved to zebrafish —the eye of the zebrafish specifically, okay? And because Brenner started doing work on the zebrafish, so all the molecular biologists moved in that direction and they started doing these useless things like pumping it with steroids or injecting pGLO proteins to make the eye glow. And it just had no practical utilitarian purpose. This is where they spend all the money —from NIH or NSF, or whatever. All this grant money goes to nonsensical research. I kid you not, because I was in the lab, I know. This is the kind of stuff they do. They used to do this with yeast DNA and now yeast is passé. You know, nobody works with yeast anymore. They used to work with saccharomyces cerevisiae. They don't anymore. Now they've moved on to bigger things.
Lee Merritt [00:38:56] You wonder who's running the show. I have my ideas, because you basically answered the question. When you say this kind of stuff —like viruses don’t exist, it's just bioinformatics and nonsense, they say, well, what are all those graduate students doing? Yes, maybe the bad guys on the top that are lying, that know there are no viruses, but keep the pharmaceutical vaccine industry going. But what about those graduate students? They're not getting paid much to do this. Why would they lie?
Poornima Waugh [00:39:29] The graduate students are completely hoodwinked and brainwashed and they're just following... This is what graduate students and postdocs do, okay? They need a job. They have to hang in there. They know that the experiments are nonsense —because I wasn't the only one asking these questions. I mean, I was a little bit older. I was in my early thirties when I actually went into the sciences… in 2016, when I finally got my Ph.D. from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine —because I got in fairly late. But I was always questioning stuff and people within the lab, other postdocs and other graduate students were rolling their eyes. Some of them questioned it. And then, but as an aside after class, we were saying like, God, why are we wasting our time doing all this crap? What are we really doing? I said, Well, you know, get your degree and do something useful with it. Everybody just falls in line, because you need a job, you need work. You at some point you go stick yourself into some university as lab slave over there, be slave labor for four, five, six years. Get a really good recommendation from your principal investigator —and then maybe you'll climb the ladder. Most of the grad students want to be professors, so then they will have a cushy job where they have a lab of their own and then they do the same thing to other slave labor, which is other graduate students as they come through the pipeline. This is what has been happening for the last 50 or 60 plus years in almost every single lab —not just in this country, but abroad. And abroad, it used to not be that bad, especially in the U.K., but when the United States does it, everybody just follows. Everybody follows. They look at the United States as the shining beacon on the hill. And then everybody just follows what the United States does. I kid you not. I've traveled a lot outside the United States. And people just follow the Western model. It's like oh, okay, well, they're doing this and we should probably do this as well.
Lee Merritt [00:41:31] Wow. But that makes so much sense because I know it's very compartmentalized. And even in medicine, you’d think that we're doing real world things because we're treating patients. But I know one of the surgeons —and I didn't do this type of surgery—but the total joint surgeons—this is my favorite story: You know, they've always … been anticoagulating the patients after a total hip or total knee [replacement], because they were taught that's the way it had to be, and all the science is settled, everything. Until this guy from Texas who is a big total joint surgeon looked at it and he found out that the premise that everybody needs anticoagulation —which they weren't doing in some places and they didn't have bad outcomes— was based on like nine patients back in the early sixties. It really didn't have the [scientific] underpinning. But because of this compartmentalization, I think just a few of those graduate students are seeing this. They're told to figure out the rat testicle hormone. And that's what they do. And they don't see the big picture —that it goes nowhere.
Poornima Waugh [00:42:34] I think science is a rat race. It truly is. If you think like everybody else, then you'll get a job, you'll have your own lab, or you can be the next generation slave driver. There are very, very, very, very few people like Judi Meyer, very few. They come once in a lifetime. I was lucky enough to work with somebody like that because I've been a firecracker my entire life. I didn't agree with my dad on a lot of things. My dad and I would get into vociferous arguments...
Lee Merritt [00:43:07] Got raised right.
Poornima Waugh [00:43:09] ... Because I questioned everything, even as a child. I said, this doesn't make sense, Dad. We'd sit at the dinner table and talk about science. And I said, I don't think so, I think it's this. And my dad would say, what do you mean it's this? It's in the textbooks. I said, The textbooks are full of crap. How do we, and how do you, know? Have we done the tests? Have we actually tested this in the lab? And so I ended up being with somebody identical to me, who would question everything. Judy was one of those.
Lee Merritt [00:43:41] Wow.
Poornima Waugh [00:43:41] I was lucky to have met her, because once she died in 2012 of ovarian cancer, they shut down the lab and they brought somebody else in, and we didn't have a job anymore, because we didn't fit into that lab atmosphere, me and three other people who were working there. We just had to find other places where we could work or whatever. Because if you don't have the same characteristics as your boss, it becomes impossible to work in a lab. You have to think alike, because if you don't think alike, then forget about it. If you're just going to be another idiot, a cog in the machine, you don't do any thinking. You're not doing science, you're just doing consensus.
Lee Merritt [00:44:28] I don't know if you know who Arthur Robinson is, but he is a Ph.D. in chemistry, I think. He used to be the partner of the Vitamin C guru, the Nobel Laureate…
Poornima Waugh [00:44:44] Linus Pauling?
Lee Merritt [00:44:44] Linus Pauling. He was his partner for a number of years. But anyway, Arthur Robinson has five children, all of whom have PhDs in hard sciences, like nuclear physics and physics and chemistry and things like that. But he dates the downfall of science —really, all scientific inquiry— to when the government began to fund everything. Then we got into this exact thing that you're talking about.
Poornima Waugh [00:45:05] Yeah. You cannot do anything without an NIH grant. And I don't mean just funding for the state universities, the public universities. Even Stanford, although it's a private university, gets 90% of its funding [from NIH]. Stanford, Princeton, Harvard, Cornell. Cornell, I think is a mix, right? It's a private and public mix. I think that's how Cornell works. But all of these get funding from the NIH. So then you're obliged to do what the NIH tells you to do. If you don't do what the NIH tells you to do, you ain't going to get any funding. They'll just eliminate you. They'll close down your lab and most of the time, the university itself closes down the lab, not even NIH.
Lee Merritt [00:45:48] Right. And that's why I say Fauci is essentially the bagman of this mob, because he controls the money. If you don't do what they say, they threaten to break your legs. In this case, if you don't use Remdesivir, and if you talk outside the protocols that the NIH and CDC have set up for COVID, we're going to take your funding. And that's not just at the universities. It's at major hospitals, it's at the university hospitals. It's at other hospitals, because they've got control. The same people that control the NIH, control the Department of Health and Human Services that fund Medicare. So if you don't give all your people these toxic vaccines, we're not going to give you your Medicare dollars. I mean, that's essentially what they're threatening hospitals —even little hospitals— with. Because I couldn't figure out why the little hospitals were going along with this. They don't do research. Well, that's how they got everybody. And they got them through these bagmen that just took out their money. And that's exactly how we got there in the 20th century, in World War Two, when we murdered people in medical experiments. It's exactly the same way.
Poornima Waugh [00:46:54] Mm hmm. And… I should probably finish my story quickly, about how I got into virology. But because Judy essentially kept saying, Poornima, you need to look into this. It's so farcical. I said, Judy, I'm not going into virology. I don't even like virology. If it's anything like medical microbiology, forget about it. She said, No, no, go in there, and I bet you they're doing it even worse. And so she made phone calls. She made phone calls to Dr. David Dunn at the University of Cambridge, and he gave her the idea. He says, You know what? Why doesn't she apply to the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine? Because all they do is infectious diseases. So I did and I got in and that was it. You know? I left Santa Barbara. I left California and moved to Austin, actually in 2016. And so once I got into the program, I continued. I was already working on stuff here. And with the London School of Hygiene, you actually go there every three months, you can work remotely and you can do all your lab practicums there. Or you can do field research. And I did some field research in Africa —actually, in Rwanda and parts of Tanzania, like for three or four years, for a few months at a time. We actually did field research. They do better field research in Africa than they do in the United States...
Lee Merritt [00:48:19] Can believe it.
Poornima Waugh [00:48:20] Because they actually collect samples. They do it the old fashioned way: take it into a lab, test, everything. So we actually did a lot of that stuff. And then in 2016, I finally got my Ph.D. in virology and in immunology. It was like swallowing a crown of thorns because I got along with just one professor. Everybody else I was constantly arguing with, and it was just a [nightmare].
Lee Merritt [00:48:47] Well, what did you do? I'm curious what your thesis was then, given all this.
Poornima Waugh [00:48:51] Actually, my thesis was not in virology, but in malaria research, believe it or not. Because they said malaria patients had co-infections with HIV viruses, HIV and AIDS. And I was saying like, what? What are you talking about? There's nothing called HIV. And essentially they would not let me do my Ph.D. thesis on that. And I said, fine, you know what? I'm just going to drop out and leave. And then one of these professors who really liked me said, boy, you really are something else. I'll pull some strings and I'll push this through. And so I finally defended my thesis in malarial co-infections with HIV. And essentially I said that HIV doesn't exist and that we don't even know if malaria is actually caused by the plasmodium species. We have to look into that. That was my thesis.
Lee Merritt [00:49:48] Wow.
Poornima Waugh [00:49:48] I mean... Those people over there hate me, I think. There was a panel of six people in the U.K. They do it a little differently. When I was defending my thesis doing the questions and stuff, I saw three of them just shake their heads and say, Miss Waugh, are you real? Are you really a scientist? Is this a joke? Why are you even here? I mean, they just did not like the way I did things. They did not like the fact that I was questioning HIV. And they were just completely shocked. What kind of a student does this kind of thing? Why are you even here if you're just questioning stuff that's consensus? We've already proven this exists. And I said to them, listen, if I fail and I don't get my thesis through, I'll go my merry way. You know? That's fine.
Lee Merritt [00:50:52] You know, and it's interesting —and I looked this up, and this does appear to be the case— that the big breakout of HIV in six or seven cities in America was six months after they tested the hepatitis B vaccine on the gay community.
Poornima Waugh [00:51:07] Yup! Exactly.
Lee Merritt [00:51:08] Yeah. And in Africa —this is the other thing: When I started smelling a rat, and this was even before COVID, I started hearing the term ‘emerging.’ One time I thought about the London School of Infectious Disease when I was in the Navy because we had an agreement with them. Because we did a lot of infectious disease research around the world through forward patrolling and so forth. Anyway, I realized that up until the mid-eighties when I was a resident, I never heard the term 'emerging infectious diseases.' And I've subsequently come to believe that emerging infectious diseases is a term they use to cover up the effects of their bioweapons programs in third world countries because they never...
Poornima Waugh [00:51:51] You hit the nail right on its head. Absolutely.
Lee Merritt [00:51:52] Okay, good. I'm not [crazy]... Because they never can quite come up [with an explanation]… It's all very murky, like you're talking about the v... what very technically —and I don't know, but, whether you're talking about HIV or… I looked recently at Marburg. Marburg is completely artificially created.
Poornima Waugh [00:52:10] Yeah, yeah!
Lee Merritt [00:52:11] And a bunch of other things. All these diseases that they say are coming out of the jungle. Suddenly they had all these excuses for it —you know what my favorite was? ‘Well, we paved the Kinshasa Highway, and that allowed AIDS to come out of the jungle and go to Kenya and the big port cities.’ I mean, okay, it sounds logical, but then when you go back and look, they can't find an animal reservoir. They can't really pinpoint how it happened. … You know? And this whole thing like Marburg, in the city of Marburg, how did it start? In a lab with people working with green monkeys, you know? Who knows what happened? I gotta get to the bottom of that, but there've only been less than 600 cases in the world. And yet, everybody knows the term Marburg and we’ve got people afraid of monkeypox. Oh, my gosh.
Poornima Waugh [00:52:57] Exactly. I mean, even things like malaria. Okay? Sir Patrick Manson or Dr. Patrick Manson. He's the one who actually established the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. I mean, it's the oldest school. I think it started in 1880. Or 1890 is when they established the school in London. But even if you scrutinize malaria, I don't think there's really any proof that the plasmodium species, which is a protozoan, goes through the anopheles mosquitoes as a vector and causes malaria. We don't know that really. I mean, there's actually more evidence that a serious B vitamin —B12 and B-6 and folate— serious B deficiencies is the cause. And why is this happening only in the developing world? Why is it not here? Because in Africa, in India, in Southeast Asia, people don't eat properly or they're malnourished and they don't get their vitamin B. Their vitamin B levels are very, very low. I know that my vitamin B levels are very low, and they say I have something called beta thalassemia minor. Wait a minute! How do you know beta thalassemia minor has anything to do with malaria? Oh, no! People who have beta thalassemia minor are heterozygous for that, they don't get malaria. How do you know that? I mean, have we established a causality here? I mean, do we know? How do you know that this protozoan actually causes malaria? Have we done any testing? Oh, no! Yeah, we did some testing here and there. And you can't find any papers. There's no conclusive papers. However, there are certain papers —and they were shoved under the rug— where they were showing a clear causation between [malaria] and vitamin B deficiencies —all the vitamin B's, all of them, the nine of them, but specifically vitamin B12, folate and B6. Those three specifically. The deficiency, even small deficiency, is causing malaria. Yeah. So it could be a deficiency disease...
Lee Merritt [00:55:10] As many illnesses are.
Poornima Waugh [00:55:10] Yeah. So if you're not getting enough vitamin B12, or folate… Because they noticed that people who had, for example, malaria, or signs of malaria— when they were given B vitamins, they suddenly got well.
Lee Merritt [00:55:26] Right.
Poornima Waugh [00:55:27] And they thrived.
Lee Merritt [00:55:27] Yeah. And that's what I've been saying about monkeypox from the start. When it started breaking out in gay men and people started freaking out about monkeypox, I said come on, guys! This is just nonsense! These guys have an immune deficiency baseline —many of them, or some of them, because of lifestyle. I'm not making any value judgments. That's just a fact. And then their biggest failure is that they constantly believe the government and run and get every vaccine they offer them. And so they took these vaccines and now it damaged their immune system further. And pox is their body being toxified and trying to get rid of it. And subsequently —I don't know if you saw this, but I had never heard this— but I knew that there was something wrong about the whole premise of smallpox, too. And when I was a medical student —and this was in about 1976. The world has changed significantly. In 1976 vaccines weren't profitable. And this is what my pediatric professor told us in a lecture my first year in medical school at the University of Rochester, New York. He said vaccines didn't prevent childhood diseases, plummers did. And his point was that it's sanitation and nutrition. He didn't add the nutrition part until later. And that's exactly what you were saying, that when they tell you all these kids are dying of measles, they're adding in the African kids that are poorly nourished.
Poornima Waugh [00:56:53] Correct.
Lee Merritt [00:56:54] From an interview I saw, it turned out that if you give them vitamin A, vitamin D, they don't die of measles either. But I saw this video recently on Telegram, and smallpox, all these poxes really, are probably the same idea: that there are toxins coming out. And this guy claims that if you really look at this —and I've gone back, I've now got this book, Major's Classic Descriptions of Disease. I don't know if you've ever seen this. So now I've bookmarked the part on malaria. I'm going to read on malaria. And it's very interesting that before all this bioinformatics junk, they actually were looking at patients and what was happening.… And they had come into some pretty interesting stuff. But he has said that we claimed that the smallpox vaccine took care of that problem, too, but really the cause is a potassium deficiency. And he asked ‘why did the milkmaids [survive]?’ You know this whole idea of Edward Jenner being the great hero of mankind? It turns out that in the 1700s, when we had all the smallpox outbreaks, it was the Maunder Minimum. And there was food scarcity all around the world. Also these big Icelandic volcanoes were spewing ash all over the place. 25% of the Icelanders died because their cow herds all died. People were starving. And so they got these pox diseases, but the milkmaids didn't. Why? Because they were drinking milk that was high in potassium.
Poornima Waugh [00:58:17] Right. Right.
Lee Merritt [00:58:18] I think you're right. And so you know that there are people out there who know this. I don't know if I sent it to you, but I just recently wrote this big article on the 1918 [flu].
Poornima Waugh [00:58:30] I saw that. I actually read it.
Lee Merritt [00:58:32] And it makes you think that they've known this for a long time. It's the same players, if you look at 1918 and now. And they're driving this false agenda so they can poison us.
Poornima Waugh [00:58:46] Yep. Absolutely.
Lee Merritt [00:58:46] I know that sounds paranoid, but they're just giving us toxins in the form of these vaccines and in other ways through medications. And we're not paying attention at all. You know? Honestly, as a physician —and a well-trained physician, I believe, at a fine medical school— I can't remember having a lecture on nutrition. I probably did, but I can't remember it. It wasn't memorable. It wasn't something they emphasized.
Poornima Waugh [00:59:15] I'll give you an example that happened to me. And this is my personal experience. I have a uterine fibroid, okay? And it was pretty massive. My fibroid was probably about 12 centimeters in size. And it was an intramural fibroid. It was growing in the wall of the uterus. And it actually started in the fundus, the top part of the uterus. And then it spread and got so big that it became transmural. That means the entire uterus became misshapen because the fibroid grew all over the place. I tried everything, and what did help was nattokinase and serrapeptase, the proteolytic enzymes.
Lee Merritt [00:59:57] Yeah, yep.
Poornima Waugh [00:59:59] And what really really really helped: I started taking 5000 IU of D3, Vitamin D3 and K2. And then I increased to about 25000 IU of vitamin D3. And then after about a month I increased it to 50,000 and I stayed on it for eight months. And I did an ultrasound. After about a year of being on this, my fibroid was then probably about one centimeter in size.
Lee Merritt [01:00:28] Yeah.
Poornima Waugh [01:00:29] I mean, it was that small. And my GP here in Santa Barbara said, so what did you do? How did it go [away]?
Lee Merritt [01:00:37] How did you get rid of it?
Poornima Waugh [01:00:39] How did it change from 12 centimeters to one centimeter? —He said. What did you do? I said: You know, I started taking two things. One is the proteolytic enzymes and a very high dose of vitamin D3 with K2. But then I also took magnesium because D3 needs magnesium, zinc, and you also have to take boron with it.
Lee Merritt [01:00:57] Yeah.
Poornima Waugh [01:00:58] So I was taking five milligrams of boron and it was amazing. I was charting to see if this experiment would work. And it wasn't necrosis. It had gotten so small, it was literally just wasting away. The blood vessels had withered and everything. They had previously wanted to do a hysterectomy on me.
Lee Merritt [01:01:16] Right. That's what they wanted. Yeah, exactly. And that's what we talked to them about for a long time in orthopedics. I'm a spine surgeon and I can tell you, I've been in medicine for 45 years. And since 1983, I've been looking at X-rays of spines and doing spine surgery, primarily after '89. I can tell you, you can look at X-rays and you can see that these women who are coming in with all these spinal fractures do not have osteoporosis. A lot of times it's osteomalacia or vitamin D deficiency —adult rickets. It's not brain [science], you know. Yes, you could biopsy them and prove that, but you don't have to. You can see the difference on the X-ray. We've known this in orthopedics for a long time. And so, here we are. And what I told my patients, literally my whole professional career since 1987 is, take 10,000 international units a day of vitamin D. There's no overdose at that level. The Okinawan tribesmen that routinely work into their hundreds are getting 30,000 IU from the sun every day. But we don't live in those altitudes. We shower, we wear clothes. We don't have that availability. So we knew this absolutely. This is not questionable science. And yet, the Institute of Medicine in America was still recommending 400 international units a day, which would barely cover childhood rickets.
Poornima Waugh [01:02:38] I when I said I was taking 50,000 IU, of course you know you also have to take the commensurate increase in MK7.
Lee Merritt [01:02:43] Right.
Poornima Waugh [01:02:44] You know, the [K2] MK7.
Lee Merritt [01:02:45] Right, right, right, right.
Poornima Waugh [01:02:46] But then you have to take the other cofactors as well, like zinc and magnesium and stuff. When I said that, Doctor Scott Saunders, my GP, became white as a sheet. He said, that can't be! This just can't be. Maybe they made a mistake!
Lee Merritt [01:03:01] I know.
Poornima Waugh [01:03:03] And he called Sansom. Here I went to Sansom Clinic. That's where I got my ultrasound. And he called them and he said 'Are you sure this is the right patient, the right ultrasound?' And they said, 'Yeah, yeah, it is the right ultrasound.' He said, This can't be. How can a 12 centimeter fibroid that was so massive have now reduced to 1.1 centimeters? —Literally, I think it was. It was so tiny. And I said to him, 'Dr. Saunders, you're a medical doctor. I am a scientist. I'm telling you, it's vitamin D3. It does amazing things.' He said 'You took 50,000 IU? You know, that's toxic?' I said, 'no, it's not toxic!'
Lee Merritt [01:03:41] That's what they all say. They always say it's toxic. I say, show me the toxicity [studies] on real people. —People on dialysis, possibly so.
Poornima Waugh [01:03:49] I said I'm not dead, Mike. And you know, I'd done my entire kidney profile and everything. I said, 'you know, look at me, I'm as healthy as possible. In fact, my levels are even better than they were before.'
Lee Merritt [01:04:00] Right? Right. Yes.
Poornima Waugh [01:04:02] [He said] Well, I don't think so. I think there's a problem here. I think we have to look at this again. I said, look, the fibroid is gone. I don't need to do a hysterectomy. I don't need to remove my womb. I don't need to do anything. You probably need to start telling your patients about this stuff.
Lee Merritt [01:04:17] Why doesn’t he read about vitamin D? Actually, there's a lot out there. You know?
Poornima Waugh [01:04:21] There's actually a paper that came out, in 2019 I think, in the Caspian Journal of Internal Medicine or something. These were researchers in Iran. And they said vitamin D3 has a significant impact.
Lee Merritt [01:04:37] On everything.
Poornima Waugh [01:04:38] They actually did the study on women, not on mice or anything. And they observed them for a year or a year and a half, and they gave them these very high doses of vitamin D3. And in a lot of these women, their fibroid shrunk significantly, like by 60% or something. And still, to this day you can find that information, but you have to dig. You could find it. And now they've sort of [hidden it]. If you do a Google search or something, you have to look 15 pages down to see it somewhere. They hide it in little pockets.
Lee Merritt [01:05:11] Right. And they put it behind paywalls.
Poornima Waugh [01:05:13] Correct.
Lee Merritt [01:05:14] So here’s the other thing we're facing that they don't want us to know about: They love “evidence-based medicine.” You know, I had to testify at a hearing to try and help a guy get his [medical] license back. And they said, well, doctor, do you believe in evidence-based medicine? And I said, Well, yeah, but the problem is you can't get near the evidence. It's either being censored or put behind a paywall. My favorite paywall is called Science Direct.
Poornima Waugh [01:05:37] Yeah, yep.
Lee Merritt [01:05:37] I mean, really? Come on, guys! I mean, you [hid] the key. You know, you go down some rabbit hole of science and you're looking at something, and you finally get to where the substance of the matter is. Boom! It's locked behind a paywall. Unless I [pay] $100 for every article or whatever, I can't get it. Now the big boys at the university can get it, but not the people treating patients and thinking about these things. And you know, there were articles years ago from Japan about how getting your vitamin D levels high was more effective than taking a flu shot for preventing influenza illness —whatever we think that is. I don't think it's a virus now, but whatever it is. And when this whole [pandemic] rolled out, I kept waiting. I mean, we know about vitamin D preventing disease. And I kept waiting for the great CDC or NIH or somebody to suggest to people that they should increase their vitamin D levels during this outbreak. Not one person did. But thankfully, the Indonesians did a study —and you may know about this— of some 800 patients in a hospital. And they observed their vitamin D levels and also, I think, zinc levels. But the most important one was vitamin D. If their vitamin D was above 30 —and that's not very high. I wouldn't want mine to be only 30. I want mine to be above 60 or more. But anyway, they observed that if it was above 30, one's chance of ending up dead or in the ICU was less than 5%. And yet the CDC is silent. That's when I knew the outcome was predetermined. They were trying to kill us. It's not about health.
Poornima Waugh [01:07:07] That paper that you're talking about that came from Indonesia, it got withdrawn or, I think something just happened to it —and you know where they put it? There's a website called RetractionWatch.com They've put it there under the category COVID 19. And if you go in there, there's this category that says COVID-19. If you click on COVID-19, you see 400 papers and it's one of those papers and it's all the way to the bottom. Okay? You have to literally scroll all the way down.
Lee Merritt [01:07:41] That's what they're doing.
Poornima Waugh [01:07:42] And it's about vitamin D3. I read that because I go there every two weeks to see all the papers that have been retracted. And it's all the good papers there, about 5G, vitamin D3 + K2, effects of stuff like that. And they're all in that little category there. They just retract these papers, they just take them out [of circulation].
Lee Merritt [01:08:02] Well then... I wonder if Prashant Pradhan's original article [is there] because that's not easy to find anymore.
Poornima Waugh [01:08:07] Yes. And it's over there too. You know what they've done? I think they've done that. They used to have that paper. I have it saved now on my computer in PDF format.
Lee Merritt [01:08:15] I do too.
Poornima Waugh [01:08:16] Because now if you go to RetractionWatch it says retracted. And they just give the abstract of the paper and they don't give you the rest of it.
Lee Merritt [01:08:25] Right. Oh, and for the listening audience, let me just tell you: so you're the only other person I knew that found that paper early on. But that paper came out on January 31st of 2020. And this is right after the big so-called outbreak of COVID. And these guys in Delhi, India recognized that, in looking at everything that had been uploaded to the gene bank, the sequence, that they saw these artificial HIV inserts into this short sequence of the S1 subunit of the so-called virus. Ok, the virus has 30,000 base pairs, they claim, and it's [a scattered mess]. There is no consistency because, I think, like what you're saying, Dr. Waugh, it's just detritus, it's just [from the] human genome. It's everything you find in the lung. It's just garbage. But there is some little thing there that was probably made in a lab and they found that four HIV inserts were in there. And so now we're seeing whatever that genetic sequence is, maybe it is something that can damage your immune system. I'm not sure. I didn't understand at that point anything about— I had never heard the term bioinformatics. But in any case, I recognized as we were seeing this going on, there was a reason that something is taken down so dramatically. The minute that they put this up, they were told they had to [take it down]. They were forced to withdraw it under their protest. They said, wait a minute, it's open data, don't do this. And not only were they forced to withdraw it and that paper was buried, but ZeroHedge magazine was censored for even reporting on it. That tells you there's a big problem. And that means, if you're catching that kind of flak, you're over a big target.
Poornima Waugh [01:10:00] You know who actually was behind them removing that paper? It was the American Society for Microbiology —and I'm a paying member of ASM. I immediately wrote a letter to ASM and I said, you know what? I don't want to have anything to do with you people anymore.
Lee Merritt [01:10:16] Good! Stop them. Yeah.
Poornima Waugh [01:10:16] Because I've been a paying member, I get papers and I get all the good things that you don't usually see. So I said, You know what? I don't want to have anything to do with you. You people are so corrupt and useless. You know, this is real science and you are destroying the progress of science. You are the reason we are in this mess. You know, it's not just the CDC, it's people like the American Society for Microbiology… Forget about it. I don't want to have anything to do with you anymore. And I don't. You know, because I used to pay 80, 90, I think it was like $120 in the last two years. They increased their fees to just be a member. And I'm paying for this nonsense and paying for censorship, you know. So, no! … You're right, it came out in January of 2020. The moment I read that paper, I actually called them in New Delhi because they have it, you know. I emailed them and I said, Hey, can I have a conversation with you? Because I'm a virologist. And they were very much open to it because I'm a fellow Indian. So we got talking. I talked to them for all of 3 hours.
Lee Merritt [01:11:28] Wow.
Poornima Waugh [01:11:29] And first they said, you think they made this in the lab? I said, No, this is not a bioweapon. I think this was made on the computer. This is an in-silico genome. And two of them said, 'you know what? That's what we thought.' —That they just made this up, probably by cobbling a bunch of sequences together. And they just made it up and put it up on BLAST.
Lee Merritt [01:11:50] But … there is a bioweapon, but this is not it —is what you're saying.
Poornima Waugh [01:11:54] Yes.
Lee Merritt [01:11:54] It's not a genetic bioweapon. It's a toxin. And they're distracting us. In other words, you're saying, essentially: this is like the magician that's doing this here and we're not looking at what they're really doing to us there. [ed: misdirection]
Poornima Waugh [01:12:06] And I'm testing the vaccines now, ok? I've been testing the vaccines personally. Jeff and I are testing. I'm not going to give his last name out because he has a family. I don't want anything to happen to him.
Lee Merritt [01:12:18] I know. I know. How sad!
Poornima Waugh [01:12:19] He’s an analytical chemist 70 miles north. I go there every weekend and I test the vials. You know, he smuggles in whatever vials we get. Sometimes we get Novavax. .
Lee Merritt [01:12:32] Tests! Nice!
Poornima Waugh [01:12:34] We've actually tested three Novavax vials at this point and they're identical to J&J. And there's no difference, okay?
Lee Merritt [01:12:42] They're all the same.
Poornima Waugh [01:12:43] It's the same platform. It's a hydrogel, CpG adjuvant. Okay? It's a sandwich. The lipid nanoparticle, in the case of Pfizer, is PEG. They use the pegylated lipid nanoparticle. Moderna is using SM-102, which is highly toxic. I don't know what [the hell]... These people just put anything and everything —garbage— in there. And then there is reduced graphene oxide. So, synthetic lipid nanoparticle, hydrogel and reduced graphene oxide. There is no mRNA. There's no spike protein coded into the mRNA, nothing. Zero. And massive amounts of heavy metal contamination: tungsten, osmium, silica, a lot of silver and gold particles. What else? They have nickel, some amount of lead. I mean, talk about heavy metal contamination! There’s massive amounts of aluminum in there. And all this stuff is very stable. You know, when you put that into the human body, it sits in adipose tissue and other places, and it causes problems. It causes irritation and inflammation. That's what's causing all these vascular problems that we're seeing. The blood vessel problems. And the graphene oxide has an extremely weak positive piezoelectric charge. And everything in our body, and especially the heart and the brain, are negatively charged.
Lee Merritt [01:14:16] Right. It steals [electrons].
Poornima Waugh [01:14:18] It literally short-circuits everything. And through the inflammatory process, you're short circuiting everything, and so you die. That's why people are getting heart attacks, myocarditis, inflammation, swelling of the heart, all sorts of problems. And it's because of the reduced graphene oxide. See, no biologics, people. It's not the spike protein.
Lee Merritt [01:14:37] So how about this [snake] venom [rumor or theory]? What about this? Other people around the world are finding that. But there are labs that are finding what looks like a cellular kind of thing. But it looks artificial. It is round and it seems to be excreting these little things. And this is what Bryan Ardis started talking about —these things that they call organoids, that look like organoids. You haven't seen those?
Poornima Waugh [01:15:07] We didn't find anything [like that]. But again, I'm not the only one working. We have 18 people, including me. I was going to do PowerPoint number three, on the jabs this coming Friday, with Regis. And I had to postpone it because one of our scientists, who's in Mindanao, Philippines. The Filipino government sent somebody to his house and then the house was burned down...
Lee Merritt [01:15:39] Wow.
Poornima Waugh [01:15:40] So they're cracking down on a lot of people who are speaking up against the vaccines in other countries as well. They're doing it in Malaysia. They're doing it in the Philippines. So I'm working with all these people. There are two in Russia, two in Australia, one in New Zealand, now we have four, I think, in Argentina, one in Shanghai, China. And then we just gained one lady, actually an M.D. PhD. She's a pediatrician, but she's working with an analytical chemist in... Is she in Acapulco? She's from Acapulco, but she works in Mexico City. And all these people are testing all the vaccines. So they're testing the SinoPharm Sinovac, which are the Chinese vaccines.
Lee Merritt [01:16:25] I was going to ask you if they're checking the Russian or the Chinese [vaccines].
Poornima Waugh [01:16:28] The Sputnik-V. The Russian scientists who are in Novosibirsk are testing those. We have two Indians now who are testing Covishield, which is the Indian vaccine. It's the homegrown version of AstraZeneca’s. So there's Sinopharm Sinovac, Sputnik-V, AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer, Moderna and Novovax. And then there's some unknowns like Soberana+2, which has come out of the Finlay Institute in Havana, Cuba. It's a homegrown vaccine, and they've shipped that to Tehran, Iran. And Iran actually takes this Soberana+2, and I think they do something with their vaccines and they're calling it Pastu Covac. So these are [lesser-known] vaccines. They're homegrown vaccines as well. Every single vaccine I just mentioned is the same vaccine. They're just branded with different names. None of them have mRNA. The “mRNA vaccines” have no mRNA. They have no spike protein. The viral vectors have nothing in them. It's just a hydrogel platform with reduced graphene oxide and a synthetic lipid nanoparticle and a tremendous amount of junk, heavy metal contamination. Massive amounts of heavy metal contamination. And that's it. It's a chemical weapon. It's not even a bioweapon.
Lee Merritt [01:17:55] Right, right, right. So it's a chemical weapon.
Poornima Waugh [01:17:59] And so far the group has tested 2300 vaccines in all of these vials. That's a lot of vaccines. We haven't found any differences in the vaccines at all. What we have found is there are some 35 different variations [of ingredient ratios]. If you've got a very lethal dose of reduced graphene oxide, you usually die within a few weeks to a few months. So it just depends on the dosage that is in there. So far, we found about 35 different variations.
Lee Merritt [01:18:32] Of the levels of just the graphene oxide, or other things too?
Poornima Waugh [01:18:36] Other things, too. I mean, there's 35 different variations of the same vaccine. I mean, just a few nanograms difference [of this or that ingredient].
Lee Merritt [01:18:49] Right. No.
Poornima Waugh [01:18:51] They just change the [ratios or concentrations]. That's it. That's the only difference. This is why people are saying: ‘oh, I took it and I'm not dead yet.’
Lee Merritt [01:18:57] Yeah, right, right.
Poornima Waugh [01:18:58] Because you probably got a lesser dose of something, and another person got a higher dose of something. So you've got all these different variations, but the platform is the same. It's all chemical crap that they're putting in there. This is why I said it's not easy to tinker around with biologics.
Lee Merritt [01:19:17] Yeah, maybe.
Poornima Waugh [01:19:18] They chemically contaminate everything, you know?
Lee Merritt [01:19:19] Right. And this whole vaccine thing for generations has been a scam to get people used to it. You know, 67% of Americans took the flu vaccine, 5% of Estonians. They had the same outcomes. There was nothing in there that was hurting you, but it wasn't doing anything to protect you against anything. It's just a scam to get you into the idea that everybody should do it every year, so nobody would question this. That was a psychological operation.
Poornima Waugh [01:19:48] And the other thing I need to point out, and I think a few people have pointed this out: if you read Eleanor McBean's The Poisoned Needle and a bunch of other books [written] very early on, maybe, within 10 years, or 12 years, or 20 years of the Civil War, we in the West, particularly in the United States because of Rockefeller Medicine, started vaccinating. You know? I mean, in the 1880s or 1890s, we started heavily vaccinating people and experimenting on people. So how many generations of Americans have received vaccinations? I'd say maybe 100 to 120 years of just vaccine damage. Okay? And you pass it on from one generation to another. On top of that, you're getting EMFs from all over the place. You're getting radio waves from all over the place. The food is bad, the food is contaminated, the water is severely contaminated with trihalomethanes and fluorine, chlorine, pesticides, all sorts of stuff. You know how much damage to the body that does? The body can only take so much. And then, I think an American usually gets between 40 to 100 vaccines in their lifetime because you get all these boosters, taking the meningococcal vaccine, the flu vaccine, every year. The children are given a trivalent hepatitis vaccine. Why are you giving a little baby a hepatitis B vaccine? That's just ridiculous. That's what they do now.
Lee Merritt [01:21:19] Let me ask you this: Are you familiar with Corvelva Labs? Because a few years ago they found genetic material in one of the new pentavalent or quadrivalent vaccines that were obligatory for school children. So they put chicken pox, measles, mumps, rubella, all that, in one vaccine. They call it a quadrivalent or pentavalent vaccine. Right? And they claim they sequenced it. I'll send you the paper. And it showed this beautiful picture of the circular genetic material they found. And they claim it was embryonic male [DNA]. It was a complete embryonic male DNA genome that they found in that vaccine.
Poornima Waugh [01:22:04] It's very possible. I mean, the MMR has aborted fetal cells in it.
Lee Merritt [01:22:12] Right. So we can sequence DNA to find stuff. We just can't manipulate it. I guess that's what conclusion I'm drawing. That's what makes the most sense. I think that clarifies the whole issue.
Poornima Waugh [01:22:24] And the payload carriers are always bacterial plasmids in every case.
Lee Merritt [01:22:30] In everything we've been doing.
Poornima Waugh [01:22:32] Yes. They have figured out how to use plasmids, but other than that, they haven't figured out anything. There are no viral vectors. And even the existence of mRNA is questionable. According to Dr. Harold Hillman, ribosomes are artifacts. Ribosomes are protein factories. Essentially, they tell the body to start making proteins and amino acids and polypeptides and stuff. So if they don't exist, what the hell does mRNA do? Because the mRNA comes out of the nucleus and it signals the ribosomes to make specific proteins for whatever part of the body. So I'm wondering whether even mRNA exists. Have we been hoaxed? Seriously, I know [that sounds crazy]...
Lee Merritt [01:23:16] Seriously. They call this the transcription-translation. It's like the holy grail of genetics. I think it was Thomas Cowan who just did work on the issue of whether they really found DNA the way they think.
Poornima Waugh [01:23:35] Yeah. And this is what I mean. The other thing is —I think I mentioned to you about Dr. Barbara McClintock’s work on transposons. She did this work in the thirties and forties. Do you know when she got a Nobel Prize? In 1983! So for that long, they were just completely ignoring her work. They bamboozled her. They called her names, because she kept saying, hey, listen there are these transposons. And initially, if you read any work on transposons right now, it's very similar to the CRISPR Cas9. But the body does it internally.
Lee Merritt [01:24:12] Right. So it's jumping genes. It's basically little segments of your genome that move from one place to someplace else and we don't understand it.
Poornima Waugh [01:24:18] And there are the short gene sequences, and there are the long ones that remove themselves and they actually jump to different parts of the body. We still don't know why. A lot of it, they're saying, is due to adaptation. You know, when the animal has to adapt to a particular circumstance, to illness or temperature changes or something, these little transposons move from one part of the body and carry a bunch of genes from one part to another of the genome itself. And they also have something like a reverse transcriptase. It's called a reverse transposon.
Lee Merritt [01:24:58] So are we sure this isn't an artifact?
Poornima Waugh [01:25:01] No, this is actually not.
Lee Merritt [01:25:03] This is real. Ok.
Poornima Waugh [01:25:04] This is. Yeah. But what I'm saying is, the body internally is already doing all of this. And you don't need CRISPR-Cas9 or any of that. I mean that there are internal mechanisms within the body to actually do things to take care of the body itself. And they never talk about the transposons. Even to this day, very little research has even been done on transposons. They just sweep it under the [rug]. When I first learned about it, I was fascinated. The two things that fascinated me were the plasmids and the transposons, because there's very little work done on these. See how they do very little work on stuff that really needs work? We need to look more into it.
Lee Merritt [01:25:48] Yeah. They're just keeping us busy.
Poornima Waugh [01:25:50] They never paid attention to that.
Lee Merritt [01:25:51] From my belief that we're being run by the dark cult —and occult just means “hidden,” I feel like there's a group of people that know all this. They know how this works. They hide two things from us: our psychological makeup and the way the world works. Also with scalar energy and lots of things. And I really think that they're just keeping us busy like little rats in a maze, and they think that if they keep us busy looking over there, we're just not going to notice how they're killing us, or how they're controlling us, you know?
Poornima Waugh [01:26:22] Yeah. And these transposons, they were calling them proviruses. I mean, they called it all sorts of stuff. And they were harassing Barbara McClintock over this for, what, 30 plus years? I think more than 30 years. And she kept doing her research and she says they're not viruses. Okay? These are essentially things our body is doing to take care of the homeostasis and equilibrium within the body itself. And she actually made a statement that was not welcome in the scientific community. I mean, they just crucified her. She said that reverse transcriptase is part of this whole mechanism. Remember the HIV reverse transcriptase? You need an enzyme, blah, blah, blah. And this is what Tom Cowan was saying. Things like reverse transcriptase are found in our body. It's through this transposon mechanism. It's called reverse transposase. It's really not a reverse transcriptase. It's part of this transposon mechanism. And this is what happens because of these transposons. That whole ideology that DNA makes RNA, makes protein, can’t be right because the process is in the opposite order. Because these transposons move stuff. They clip stuff from here, move it over there. So they clip RNA, here, move it there. They clip DNA here, move it over there. They clip proteins and take it somewhere else.
Lee Merritt [01:27:44] So how do exosomes figure into this? Where do exosomes fit in this process?
Poornima Waugh [01:27:48] I don't know about exosomes, I know very little.
Lee Merritt [01:27:50] Are they moving these pieces of DNA?
Poornima Waugh [01:27:54] It probably is. It's probably part of this transposon mechanism. It's probably all related. I'm not 100% sure because this is new science.
Lee Merritt [01:28:05] Right. This is what we weren't supposed to know...
Poornima Waugh [01:28:07] Stuff we never really looked at.
Lee Merritt [01:28:08] Yeah.
Poornima Waugh [01:28:09] And the transposons... Every time in class, or when I talked to professors about the transposon mechanism, they just said, we don't really need to look at it. Barbara McClintock got that Nobel Prize for no reason. I said, really? Yeah. That woman was just a science heretic, they would say.
Lee Merritt [01:28:29] Well, that's good. Yeah. I'm proud to be a heretic.
Poornima Waugh [01:28:31] That was the name given to her. I mean, even after she got the Nobel Prize, her work was always kept on the sidelines. When they do stuff like that, then we know that we need to look at what transposons are. What exactly are these things? What's going on here? 60% of the genome in our bodies, apparently, is caused by the transposons. There's something called an Alu sequence. I tested my genome. We used to do experiments. The white folk in my lab did not have the Alu sequence. The Mexican chap in the lab and I had the Alu sequence.
Lee Merritt [01:29:14] How do you spell Alu?
Poornima Waugh [01:29:16] A-L-U, it's called Alu sequence. It's a short sequence of this transposon. And it apparently gives people the color of their skin.
Lee Merritt [01:29:28] Oh, interesting.
Poornima Waugh [01:29:29] This is what I mean: It's not a genotype. It's essentially a phenotype. Phenotypes change depending on these transposon changes in your body. And we don't even bother to look at it. We call it genetic sequencing and this and that and whatever. You know, why don't we really look at the real science? And you're right. Go Ahead.
Lee Merritt [01:29:53] So remember Lamarck? We were taught that Lamarck was a kook because he didn't believe in evolution.
Poornima Waugh [01:30:01] Adaptation.
Lee Merritt [01:30:02] He believed that adaptation to the environment was actually genetic. And so before I heard your story just now, I thought to myself, well, what we call viruses could be these exosomes and wouldn't it be a beautiful thing that you can't [easily fail to adapt]? Like, suddenly we're exposed to new electromagnetic frequency and it's becoming with us all the time. So you can't wait for a million years to evolve that [capacity]. Too many things wouldn't work. You have to be able to deal with it [in the short term]. Wouldn't it be great if we just could spit out a little bit of our genome that would then change our phenotype? And that's what you're talking about. That does make a lot more sense than what they're telling us.
Poornima Waugh [01:30:38] And I think exosomes either are transposons or vice-versa. I think it's the same mechanism. And I think it just changes [our active genome]... Which makes sense, because it takes a sequence from one part of the genome, and flips into another part of the genome. And they haven't been able to [exploit this]... They try to replicate this just like CRISPR-Cas9. They have not been successful. That's probably why they don't do any work on it, because then they can't weaponize it, you see?
Lee Merritt [01:31:06] Right, right, right.
Poornima Waugh [01:31:07] If we can't weaponize it, don't give it any attention. It's too difficult. Okay? You know, we don't want to look at it because we can't weaponize it. But it exists. And that might be what causes the adaptation sequence that Lamarck was talking about. And he totally got, again, just sidelined altogether.
Lee Merritt [01:31:25] Exactly.
Poornima Waugh [01:31:26] You know? They don't even talk about Jean-Baptiste Lamarck. They only talk about Darwin. It's nonsense.
Lee Merritt [01:31:32] Right.
Poornima Waugh [01:31:33] You know, because the finches in the Galapagos…
Lee Merritt [01:31:36] Wasn't true.
Poornima Waugh [01:31:37] When the temperature changed and everything changed back, their beaks became straight again. So it was not evolution. They didn't become a different species.
Lee Merritt [01:31:46] Right. There was no speciation.
Poornima Waugh [01:31:48] It was just an adaptation process. And we have that in our bodies. And I have a [hunch] that these culprits, the parasites who are running the show, probably know a lot of this stuff.
Lee Merritt [01:31:59] Yeah, I think so too.
Poornima Waugh [01:32:00] The only thing they don't know is how to manipulate stuff. They know it exists. They just don't know how to do it. Thank God! Because if they could manipulate it, we'd be in a lot of doo-doo as a species.
Lee Merritt [01:32:10] Right, right, right.
Poornima Waugh [01:32:12] So the next best thing is to poison us through a bunch of chemical cocktails. You know, spray us with a bunch of crap, heavy metals and whatever else. You know, put stuff in our food, put stuff in our water. And vaccines. You know, if they could kill us this easily just by aerosolizing or weaponizing viruses and bacteria, we'd all be dead by now.
Lee Merritt [01:32:38] That's absolutely right. And you know, as somebody that's followed the bioweapons stuff going on over the decades, I gotta say, you can see the trend. You can see that they tried, thanks to Ken Alibek, for example, in his book and other information from him. I mean, you can see how all of them have tried for a long time to aerosolize Ebola or some hemorrhagic fever. That's what they really wanted. They really wanted an airborne hemorrhagic fever. They couldn't pull it off. They wanted an airborne anthrax to kill us, but they couldn't really pull it off. Anything and everything. They can't really pull off these aerosolized diseases. So now what are they studying? Arthropod vector disease. They're trying. They realize that if they can't get us to run out and take injections, they'll get insects to inject us with this crap. That's what [they want].
Poornima Waugh [01:33:29] Yep. But again, our bodies are very, very intelligent, you know?
Lee Merritt [01:33:35] Right.
Poornima Waugh [01:33:35] Everything in nature is very intelligent. Everything has a place. And you can't just change that just because you have a god complex.
Lee Merritt [01:33:45] Right.
Poornima Waugh [01:33:47] They have tried. It doesn't work. And I've always said that about science. This is the beauty of science. You know, we have no idea how that really works.
Lee Merritt [01:33:55] Yep.
Poornima Waugh [01:33:55] We've barely scratched the surface. It’s only the tip of the iceberg. There's just so much underneath there and a lot of biology is corrupted. People get upset when I say this, but biology got corrupted because physics got corrupted with quantum mechanics. Anything “quantum'' is bullshit. Okay?
Lee Merritt [01:34:11] Absolutely.
Poornima Waugh [01:34:12] Quantum mechanics, quantum financial system, quantum computing. It's all B.S.. We live in an electromagnetic universe.
Lee Merritt [01:34:20] Yeah.
Poornima Waugh [01:34:22] It's mostly electric. So I'm leaning to the Tesla direction instead of the Einstein-Schrodinger model. Okay?
Lee Merritt [01:34:27] Right.
Poornima Waugh [01:34:27] So quantum mechanics destroyed physics, which destroyed chemistry, [with its so-called] p-orbitals and s-orbitals. And then that leaked into biology and destroyed it altogether. So the hard sciences are completely hijacked and corrupted. People get very upset at me for saying this, but this is the truth.
Lee Merritt [01:34:47] No. It's true. And after I talked to you, I really started looking at other things and thinking about this for my next article on my “pseudo Substack.” [I say that] because I got decommissioned from Substack, so I have to do it on my own site. Yeah, I'm the only person I know that got demonetized from Substack.
Poornima Waugh [01:35:07] Can you send me links to your website? I’d love to hear about this.
Lee Merritt [01:35:08] I sure will. Yeah. Because additionally, a lot of the stuff that you've discovered, I've discovered. Like I used to take the pill supplements and now I take a balanced nutritional supplement. And additionally, I take certain things extra if I need them. Because quite frankly, what we know is that there are 90 nutritional supplements that you need because we're not getting them from our soils. And so people are deficient in lots of things. But you can't succeed with pills. So that's why I do that. I do something that's easy to do and is fairly cheap. And I add extra vitamin D and extra all of what we're talking about. So anyway, yeah, I have that. But I'm doing [an article on] scalar energy for dummies, kind of. I'm trying to explain scalar energy. Because I really think it's not only what Tesla was playing around with when he apparently flattened the [Tunguska] forest accidentally. It's also on the microscopic level. And this is why the physics, the chemistry, everything they teach you in school is just so wrong. You know? And I had a quote from somebody that said it's like the wizards of physics want to blacklist scalar information so that it's not in your high school and college textbooks. You know, I think that's really true. And I asked Thomas [ed: Cowan] when I came around to this idea that they've been lying to us about virology for so long. I realized, okay, we need to explain chicken pox and such things. And it makes more sense to realize that we don't completely understand how cells communicate either. But let's suppose that cells can communicate with each other in ways that we don't completely know. But it does seem to be scalar. And this is what Luc Montagnier finally showed. But his predecessor over in France, Jacques Benveniste, said that it was a scalar imprint of DNA in water —water memory— that could then be transmitted. And Benveniste's work used immunoglobulin. But nonetheless, when little kids get together with chicken pox, at a chicken pox party, how does [transmission occur]? Maybe there is actually some kind of cellular scalar energy. And so, yeah, you get chicken pox too, because you're being told by your friend, who's also three or four years old, that now's the time to detoxify yourself because the world has changed and we've been born into a world that we're not quite prepared for. This is a time for you to offload this bit of genetic material. And you do it. So there are many explanations that don't involve little airborne animalcules making us sick. But all this is an anti-human agenda.
Poornima Waugh [01:37:56] Yes. And you're absolutely right about that. We don't understand anything. I mean, the more I look at biology, [the more I realize that] what we're taught is just mechanistic. There's no holistic perspective to it. I mean if you look at what Rupert Sheldrake was saying, it makes total sense. That's why he called his book The Science Delusion. His book, I think in the UK, was called The Science Delusion. Everything —and I don't want to sound like I'm some kind of mumbo jumbo person— but you know, the morphogenic field and consciousness and all of that, makes complete sense.
Lee Merritt [01:38:33] I know, absolutely.
Poornima Waugh [01:38:35] You have to take all of that into consideration. And Tesla said the same thing. He made a statement, along the lines of 'everything is energy and frequency.’
Lee Merritt [01:38:45] Right. Now, the scary part —I'll see if I can find it real quick here— is his other quote, which people don't cite. And I just happened to be writing about it when we started here. But he also said that the whole world functions on a frequency between six and eight hertz, that the Schumann resonance of the Earth, our brain function, our metabolism, everything, functions in this narrow band of 6 to 8 hertz. And he said, once we understand this, we can control the brains of all mankind.
Poornima Waugh [01:39:42] Agh! Maybe [garbled]
Lee Merritt [01:39:44] Yeah. So they only quote part of what he said. They don't quote what he said that's really important here. Here's the exact quote: "Alpha waves in the human brain are between six and eight hertz. The wave frequency of the human cavity resonates between six and eight hertz. All biologic systems operate in the same frequency range. The human brain's alpha waves function in this range and the electrical resonance of the earth is between six and eight hertz. Thus, our entire biologic system, the brain and the Earth itself work on the same frequencies. If we can control the resonant system electronically, we can directly control the entire mental system of humankind." —Nikola Tesla
Poornima Waugh [01:40:26] And maybe that's what they're trying to do [garbled]...
Lee Merritt [01:40:27] I absolutely believe you. And once I realized that, I said, okay, now let's exploit the principle that they're trying to get us to look here while they're really doing this [there], to discern what they are really looking at. And I think this is it.
Poornima Waugh [01:40:47] But here's their problem. You know, trying to control 8 billion people on this planet…
Lee Merritt [01:40:53] And murder us, yeah.
Poornima Waugh [01:40:55] Okay. So they're going to have to get rid of quite a lot of us to control the rest because you can't control eight billion people. That's a lot of people...
Lee Merritt [01:41:02] They know it.
Poornima Waugh [01:41:03] Yeah. So it's a dual program split between depopulation and who's left over is going to be controlled. That's the plan. I still don't think their plans are going to work. It doesn't work that way.
Lee Merritt [01:41:15] I don't think so either.
Poornima Waugh [01:41:16] I mean, this is basic logic, common sense. A lot of us have not taken the vaccines. We're not going to give in. I mean, quite a lot have not taken the injections.
Lee Merritt [01:41:26] Yeah. Yeah. No, I think so.
Poornima Waugh [01:41:26] And the people are waking up. So the parasites on their last leg. I know if I say this, people say, well, you're just a little too optimistic. I say, no, I'm a realist.
Lee Merritt [01:41:35] No, I think their plan is collapsing.
Poornima Waugh [01:41:37] This is why they're bringing out all these other pathogen [stories] —monkeypox, the Nipah virus and Marburg. They're on their [last leg]. They're desperate. They have to do something to cover [up] the vaccine damage. Okay? People are dying from these injections.
Lee Merritt [01:41:49] See, now I'm going to sound even crazier. Maybe because I know conspiracies exist. The idea that you're a “conspiracy theorist,” I've decided, just means you have pattern recognition.
Poornima Waugh [01:42:03] Correct.
Lee Merritt [01:42:03] And long ago, when this whole thing started and we got these Q revelations… I got the chance to talk to people all over, for example, people in the DIA. People come up to me and they say things. I'm just saying, there's something going on in the background. And I find it highly interesting that, as we've gotten progressively into this —and it does feel like we are winning— suddenly all these people that are higher [positioned] have come out and said, “I'm just announcing that I tested positive for COVID and I'm self isolating.” If you notice who that happened to, it started at lower levels, but now it's at higher levels. So who have we seen recently? We've had Fauci, then we've had Biden, and now the one that really got my attention was Albert Bourla, the CEO of Pfizer.
Poornima Waugh [01:42:55] Oh, interesting!
Lee Merritt [01:42:56] Yes. He just came out and said, “I've just recently tested positive for COVID and I'm self-isolating.” Now, the conspiracy theory rumor is that it's a signal that these people really are being moved off the scene, let's just put it that way. I don't know if that's true or not, but there's something odd about this. And I just say that people should look at that little factor. It's not simply people saying, “I got COVID again,” it's how it's announced. It's the whole phenomenon. Something is going on here. And I don't know any more than that, but I agree with you. I think we're winning because the people that are doing this seem to be very stereotypically acting. They have to act in certain ways that are very legalistic. I don't know how to say that. And I think the beauty of humans is that we can see around the corner, like you've obviously been doing your whole life, and that's what's made a difference.
Poornima Waugh [01:43:53] Well, I think I'm just waiting for some point when we can turn the corner and actually look at real science the way it should be looked at.
Lee Merritt [01:44:02] Yeah. I think the moment is coming.
Poornima Waugh [01:44:04] It's coming. Yeah.
Lee Merritt [01:44:05] Obviously, no matter what happens, I don't think they're going to put this genie back in the bottle. And I know so many people are fed up with medical science, physicians, universities, and hospitals. They want something different. And we're finding that out. We're finding out what's different that we can do.
Poornima Waugh [01:44:21] In a way, COVID actually is a silver lining, because if it hadn't happened, we'd still be repeating the same routine, okay? I mean, it would not have really [been possible otherwise]. All this, the science and everything, all the crap, was just boiling under the surface, like a little volcano, you know? It was just brewing there. Now it just erupted. People can see everything. And people are waking up very quickly. Literally, all of civilization is a sham. Our histories, all of paleontology, everything we think we know about the solar system, about how the universe works.
Lee Merritt [01:44:55] Question everything.
Poornima Waugh [01:44:57] Everything. We don't know anything anymore. I mean, we are going to have to figure out: Who is humanity? Where did we come from? Who are we? You know? We certainly did not evolve from an ape, okay?
Lee Merritt [01:45:08] No.
Poornima Waugh [01:45:09] Complete nonsense. There's no missing link. The reason they can't find a missing link is because there ain't one.
Lee Merritt [01:45:15] There is no missing link. Yeah.
Poornima Waugh [01:45:16] Okay, so we have to figure out: Who are we? What are we? Where did we come from? What is our history? What is our legacy? All of that. And you know, this will probably take us another 10, 20, possibly 50, 100 years to do. But, you know, it's a process.
Lee Merritt [01:45:33] Yeah.
Poornima Waugh [01:45:33] And I think we are on the right path. I mean, it's tough right now, but probably by 2025-26, I think things are going to get better. You know, things are going to go in the right direction. At least that's what I think.
Lee Merritt [01:45:47] Well, just look at the progress we've made in two years in understanding things. You know, I mean, you're here in public now. How many years did people labor in private in their labs, saying it's all nonsense and now the whole world is waking up to the fact that they've been lied to. So, I'm going to bet it will be even sooner than 2025, but yeah, by 2025. I'm with you.
Poornima Waugh [01:46:11] So I think we're making really good progress and things are looking optimistic. Just don't go take booster shots! Don't take the Jynneos 2000 for monkeypox. Keep away from anything from Bavarian Nordic. By the way, Bavarian Nordic is the same company that was making the Ebola vaccine, and it burned out in 2015. It's the same people! Rinse and repeat!
Lee Merritt [01:46:33] It's the same people. And it was the same [group of] people 100 years ago in 1918.
Poornima Waugh [01:46:38] Yep, yep!
Lee Merritt [01:46:38] And I'm wondering now if it was the same people even before that. In 1821, there was a cholera epidemic. You know, again, that's a toxin. Well, how many times have they done this to us? That's another question.
Poornima Waugh [01:46:50] And here's the other thing. This is very interesting. I must point this out, because this is very interesting. Cholera is [said to be] caused by a bacteria called vibrio cholerae. So vibrio cholerae, according to the conventional view of science, is a pass-through [ed: facultative] bacteria. Okay? It doesn't do anything. Ostensibly, it gets injected with a toxin called toxin B by a bacteriophage. Through a DNA process, it injects this toxin into vibrio cholerae. And vibrio cholera becomes zombified and then causes cholera. What a bunch of bullshit. This doesn't even make sense for anybody who knows basic science. Okay? So it's not the bacteria causing cholera if the bacteria has been completely hijacked by a bacteriophage. And a bacteriophage supposedly is a virus, which it isn't, by the way. And I want to explain the bacteriophage theory too. The bacteriophage is not a virus, because it has two phases according to conventional science. So they defeat their own theories. It's got a lysogenic cycle and a lytic cycle. So when it's in the lytic phase, which is a dormant phase, it's called a prophage. And when it becomes active, it becomes a [temperate] phage. Viruses don't work that way according to virology.
Lee Merritt [01:48:24] Right. Right.
Poornima Waugh [01:48:25] Viruses are always active. They hijack, they replicate and kill the host and so on. And then they move on. So a bacteriophage is not really a virus. They say it's a virus that attacks bacteria. You know what a bacteriophage really is? It's literally the bacteria being pleomorphic, as Béchamp said. They change shape. They're somatids. They are pleomorphic. Sometimes they're rod-shaped, sometimes they're filamentous-shaped, depending on the circumstances, just like amoeba. You know how amoeba go into endospore phase?
Lee Merritt [01:48:56] Sure, sure.
Poornima Waugh [01:48:57] Endospore. They go into dormancy. That's what bacteria do. They change shape depending on the circumstances, the temperature changes or whatever. And the bacteriophage that they see on the SEM, on the scanning electron microscope, at 40 or 50 nanometers in size, is just the bacteria changing shape or becoming something else. It's not a virus attacking the bacteria.
Lee Merritt [01:49:21] And that is what Royal Rife said.
Poornima Waugh [01:49:23] Yep!
Lee Merritt [01:49:24] I don't know if you know about Royal Rife, but he was born in Elkhorn, Nebraska, which isn't too far from me. Whereas with our [optical] microscopes today, we're lucky to get 2500 X magnification, he created this thing with almost 6000 handmade moving parts and he saw at 15,000 X magnification. And I don't know how he did this in the age before Foley catheters, but he taught himself to sit at that microscope —I know you know this, but I say this for the audience— and move the dials very slowly, and watch the fluorescence, the color, the index of refraction, of these different bacteria and things. He saw both bacteria and viruses, but he said that viruses were a stage of bacteria, just like you're talking about.
Poornima Waugh [01:50:11] Correct.
Lee Merritt [01:50:11] It was somewhere during the replication cycle or whatever that he saw it happen. And so these aren't different. They aren't separate.
Poornima Waugh [01:50:20] Right. So, there’s no Cholera, that is, vibrio cholerae does not cause cholera. And certainly there's no bacteriophage that injects a toxin B. This is all made up nonsense. Again, nothing has been proven. They have never proven that A causes B. Again, no Koch's postulates have been done on this. Nothing. It's just nonsense.
Lee Merritt [01:50:45] Do you think they purposely poisoned wells then, to create the cholera outbreaks?
Poornima Waugh [01:50:48] Yeah. You know, it could be anything, any kind of toxin. And remember, a lot of these things happen in countries like in Africa and India, where there's open sewage and so on.
Lee Merritt [01:51:01] Right.
Poornima Waugh [01:51:02] They have a lot of leather tanning places. A lot of those chemicals go into the water supply and cause toxic effects on the body and people get diarrhea and fevers. Again, this is detoxifying all the poisons that you've just ingested through the water supply. So, no, it's not a bacterium or even a bacteriophage or whatever it is that they want to call it. It's all nonsense. And the same with Legionnaires' disease. You know, they made that up in 1976. First a microbiologist at the CDC called it an Andromeda Strain. They thought it was a virus. I was actually reading a paper on this. Then they said, oh, it's probably a toxin coming out of the vents in those hotels where 6000 people were staying. Only 300 had these symptoms of Legionnaires disease.
Lee Merritt [01:51:59] This illness.
Poornima Waugh [01:52:00] And they said they found the bacteria and they injected it into mice. And it didn't catch.
Lee Merritt [01:52:08] It didn't cause illness.
Poornima Waugh [01:52:09] Didn't cause illness. So the bacteriologist or microbiologist [put it into] his daughter's guinea pig. Her pet guinea pig was used as the test subject. And they put it into the paws of the guinea pig. And then they did all sorts of other things, grow it in egg yolk and then inject that into the guinea pig. I mean, they tried all sorts of variations until finally…
Lee Merritt [01:52:31] They couldn't make it sick?
Poornima Waugh [01:52:32] It's like throwing spaghetti at the wall and whatever sticks, sticks. And that's what happened. And then they said, Oh, yes, a new bacteria called legionella pneumophila causes Legionnaires disease.
Lee Merritt [01:52:42] Oh, it finally killed the guinea pig?
Poornima Waugh [01:52:46] They used just one guinea pig and no controls were used. Okay? No controls were used!
Lee Merritt [01:52:51] Oh, my God.
Poornima Waugh [01:52:52] How is this a scientifically sound experiment? And this was published in 1976 in Microbiology and Pathology.
Lee Merritt [01:53:00] But we knew better.
Poornima Waugh [01:53:02] So my point is, everything is made up. All of it. You know, it's not just virology now. When I say this to a few people who believe that SARS-CoV-2 doesn't exist, I said, don't worry, it's not just virology that's bad. It's all of it that's bad. Okay? And they said, are you nuts? I said, no, I'm not nuts because I saw this happening in the lab.
Lee Merritt [01:53:27] Wow.
Poornima Waugh [01:53:27] Everything we've been told so far is usually one truth and ten lies. And it's all facade.
Lee Merritt [01:53:35] Wow. I thought it was just medicine. And it turns out, no, basic science. I mean, that is a big shocker. I mean, this is really like suddenly you're on a seismic [plate] that just shifted completely. And it's just really too hard for people to imagine.
Poornima Waugh [01:53:51] I mean, if I said this to Dr. Ryan Cole, who's a microbiologist, he'd probably slap me or something. He'd call me names or something. But even his field, which is medical microbiology and pathology, is completely hijacked. Why do you think virology got hijacked? Because they reversed Koch's postulates. They modified Koch's postulates to their reverse. And even by those criteria, they couldn't meet the standards of virology. This is how bad it is. So it all comes, like I said, from physics to chemistry, from chemistry to biology —and from medical microbiology and pathology, you get virology. So it's a steady decline in science. It's all bioinformatics and toxins.
Lee Merritt [01:54:41] Yeah. Yeah. And parasites. I do believe parasites exist.
Poornima Waugh [01:54:47] Yep. Parasites are carriers. You know, they, again, just carry the payload of all sorts of toxins. But they have not even been able to prove anything. And the other problem is when you remove body parts like your adenoids and your tonsils.
Lee Merritt [01:55:04] Tonsils.
Poornima Waugh [01:55:05] You know, these are the gatekeepers to your system. They're part of your lymphatic system, actually. So they're gatekeepers. You remove your appendix, of course, because in most cases it's already septic. So now you're missing a body part. You remove the womb, you're going to have problems because the body functions as an integrated system. You can’t just remove parts of it and expect it to thrive.
Lee Merritt [01:55:35] Yeah. You know, people forget that the guy who advocated prefrontal lobotomy got a Nobel Prize for it. It was at the time, considered standard of care. When we talk about ‘the science is settled,’ they forget that that science was settled. They thought that was the best treatment for insanity. Right? Wow.
Poornima Waugh [01:55:53] Yeah. I don't have these conversations often with [anyone]. But I think it is the first time now with you. And then my postdoc [students] were finally saying, ‘Oh my God, all of science is nonsense.’ I said, Yep. It sure is.
Lee Merritt [01:56:09] We gotta rewrite it.
Poornima Waugh [01:56:11] Yep.
Lee Merritt [01:56:11] Got to start over from the beginning. I was going to be an internist and now I’m glad I didn’t go that direction. And I think to myself that in old medicine, other than purification and detoxification, the one thing they had were bone setters. And I became an orthopedic surgeon, so I still have a skill that is a real-world necessity sometimes.
Poornima Waugh [01:56:32] Yeah.
Lee Merritt [01:56:33] But yeah, it’s really sad that we've been lied to about the parts of reality that we can't observe with our own eyes —and even some of those that we can.
Poornima Waugh [01:56:44] Well, but this is a good thing because now we can actually start going in the right direction.
Lee Merritt [01:56:49] Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I really appreciate you coming on. I know you spent a lot of time with me, but this is going to be awesome because people need to hear this. They need to hear that this is not just [empty talk] and that there are people behind the scenes who have scientific backgrounds like you have, who are really thinking and it's not just going to remain a few crying alone in the wilderness. I think this is just the beginning of a tsunami that's going to overturn the scientific world. They can't continue this charade. You know, I remember Boris Yeltsin years ago when they were taking over the Russian White House, and he was standing on the steps and there were all these tanks pointed at him. And he said you can sit on a throne of bayonets, but you can't sit on it for long. I think the end of this scam is coming.
Poornima Waugh [01:57:35] Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I think doctors like yourself are making a huge difference. Huge. Because you're reaching out to so many millions of people. So it makes [a difference]. I just wanted to thank you for that.
Lee Merritt [01:57:50] Well, thanks.
Poornima Waugh [01:57:50] You know? [Thanks] for having a podcast and reaching out to millions of people out there. Because this makes a big [difference]. You're taking a stand. You're taking major risks by doing what you're doing. But it really is helping all of us.
Lee Merritt [01:58:04] Well, and you, too. I appreciate you coming forward, because I think there are so many people that could come forward but they're frightened. But we have to remember, they're coming after our kids. Now's the time. We all have to stand up. If we all stand up, they can't make us sit down.
Poornima Waugh [01:58:18] Right? Right. Yeah.
Lee Merritt [01:58:19] Thanks again. We're going to publicize this and it'll be up on Rumble and all over the place, hopefully.
Poornima Waugh [01:58:25] Thank you so much. Can you send me a link to this?
Lee Merritt [01:58:28] Absolutely. And you know my website is TheMedicalRebel.com and the video will be on the front page too. So, all right.
Poornima Waugh [01:58:36] And you had that white book, the big, thick one.
Lee Merritt [01:58:39] Oh, yeah. So this was interesting. Returning to that: I got this book when I was a senior in medical school. It was a famous book at the time, by Ralph Major. It was titled Classic Descriptions of Disease. And for example, Dr. Snow’s famous description about cholera is in there.
Poornima Waugh [01:58:57] I want to get that. I want to read that...
Lee Merritt [01:58:59] Yeah, I'll see if it’s still in publication.
Poornima Waugh [01:59:01] So I'll try to find it because these are the kind of books we need to read to really go back to the early days.
Lee Merritt [01:59:06] We need to go back and look at what they really knew and what they really saw. And you realize from this that many diseases could be explained in multiple ways. But we are told there was only one explanation because of the biology junk that they taught us.
Poornima Waugh [01:59:21] Yeah.
Lee Merritt [01:59:22] All right.
Poornima Waugh [01:59:23] Thank you so much for having me on the podcast today.
Lee Merritt [01:59:24] Have a great day!
Poornima Waugh [01:59:26] Take care.
Lee Merritt [01:59:27] Okay. See you.
Poornima Waugh [01:59:28] Bye.
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